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Thread: Equalize the gun lobbies, two gorillas better than one

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    Lightbulb Equalize the gun lobbies, two gorillas better than one

    You've probably been hearing the screaming from some people to join the nra and that if you don't join the nra you're a traitor.

    I'm not going to knock anyone who wants to join the nra in this current time of panic and fear. It's a good idea to put our energy in the same direction of protecting the 2nd amendment.

    I constantly hear the phrase "800 lb gorilla" when mentioning the nra. I have a question. Is it better to have one "800 lb gorilla" or an 800 lb gorilla WITH a 200 pounder standing nearby, who is also pissed off, and has a slightly different personality? In other words, can you win a football game with ONLY a large offensive line, or is it a good idea to maybe have a good half back, and maybe a few good receivers.

    Bottom line, I'm hearing a lot of myopic viewpoints about the nra as if it's our only hope and anyone who is not a member is equal to sara brady. I'm simply saying that we need to triple the membership of Gun Owners of America. The GOA bashers who want to divert from this point so they can bash GOA make ALL gun owners weaker. I want to see a second large gun lobby. Do you attack your enemy with all your troops in ONE group or do you STRATEGIZE and send a division around the side to hit your enemy on the flank (rhetorical question).

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    is GOA even a gorilla at all?

    they have collected a lot of money over the years. what do they have to show for it?
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    Part of the problem is that I don't necessarily agree with all of GOA's philosphy. I'll stick with the NRA.

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    Zero-sum game

    If gun-rights-supporters are already contributing as much money and time to pro-gun organizations as they can (not strictly true, but probably close), then every new dollar for GOA is a dollar taken away from NRA.

    Therefore, "equalizing the gun lobbies" would give us two groups, each weaker than the current NRA. And two sets of leaders, with different egos, agendas, etc.--great recipe for in-fighting.

    Me, I'm a quality, not quantity, type of guy.

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    Sorry, No Fear, but GOA doesn't float my boat. I think there are other, more effective, groups out there.

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    I support both. I like the GOA's attitude better; I like the NRA's proven clout better.
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    Under the new Socialist regime the NRA will be forced to give up members who will then be added to less efficient gun groups.
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    I also tend to think that more money going to one ORG is better than a divided war chest.
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    It's easy. If at some point you have an extra $20 you were planning to buy buy something frivolous with, don't. Join GOA in addition to NRA--unless you don't like GOA. Then maybe send it to JFPO...

    Hey, what if you normally buy lunch at work, then pack for one week?

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    Loosedhorse,

    It is not a zero-sum game, thankfully.
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    NRA for me.

    If you want to go beyond that, I'd suggest SAF or your local state organization.
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    Just a few thoughts:

    GOA - from what I've seen, they tend to take a "my way, or the highway" (virtually inflexible, 100% their way, no compromise) stand. I believe that there are a few things that can be compromised on. VERY few, but still a few, and GOA doesn't seem to be able to see any of those.

    ZERO SUM GAME - I do not totally agree with that. I do freely admit that many are not financially able to support multiple organizations. If you are only able to financially support one organization, then I think the NRA is a better choice. If you can support two or more, do what ever "floats your boat" (from a previous post).

    The most important point is SUPPORT AT LEAST ONE OF THEM!

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    This guy has to be a troll. Trying to get us to fight among ourselves. Divide and conquer.

    We need every organization we have right now. All of them.

    And yes the NRA is the 800 lb Gorilla.

    Most folks I know, besides myself (I am a Life member) joined long before the fear and panic of your anxiety set in. I first joined the NRA in 1958, when did you join your first shooting organization. Your premise is total BS.

    No other group does what the NRA does, no one. It is much more than just politics. Training, certifications, safety, youth safety, marksmanship, security, LEO training, competition and on and on. No else is even in the same century with the NRA.

    You don't have to like them, they ain't perfect like you, they have been doing it since before you were born and were trying to bait folks. Or any of the other organizations existed.

    THE NRA is the oldest and largest civil rights organization in the world. Since 1873.

    I believe the other groups are important too and support several, but none can match the gravis, experience, and power of the NRA.

    Belong to many groups of your choice, but always belong to the NRA.

    I would propose a membership drive to get membership up over 5 million members now. We need it. Not in panic, but in a show of unity and force, even the Socialists in DC can understand, VOTES!

    If you can ownly support one pro gun group, it must be the NRA. I would suggest one less six pack per month and then join two groups etc. It is all a matter of what is most important to you.

    What a putz.

    Go figure.

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    The GOA is a absolutist organization that isn't and simply cannot be the least bit politically effective, both because it is small and because it is utterly inflexible. It sits there and demands everything and demands it immediately, and that gets it nowhere.

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    800/2 = 400

    So what you would really get is 2 Four Hundred pound gorilla's and then it would be easier to ignore them. The whole, divide and conquer plan comes to mind.

    There is finite money out there, plain and simple.

    I am a big NRA member and usually keep my membership up to the GOA, 2nd Am Foundation, state organization usually, and JPFO. However, it isn't always feasible for me to fund all of them and I don't expect the casual person on this issue to fund several different organizations.

    Not bad-mouthing the others. However, if limited in funds I know where my money will go first.

    I would also love to see a viable 3rd political party. However, I'm not holding my breath on it.
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    I disagree with the compromises the NRA tends to make, but they do swing the biggest bat.

    I'm probably going to upgrade to Life.
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    I look at the GOA with their "NO Compromise" attitude as the guy in a little Geo Metro arguing "right of way" with an 18-wheeler. He may be right, but he's gonna lose.

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    GOA (which is on our radar but the antis couldn't care less about) could serve as a tool for keeping the NRA honest. Unfortunately, the only actions I've ever seen GOA take are dividing the RKBA movement by attacking the NRA as part of membership drives.

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    Join SAF then, SAF and NRA usually work together...

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    My signature line should suffice as a comment...

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    The argument for exclusively supporting the NRA is the exact same argument as for supporting the Republican party, and it's ultimately flawed for the precise same reasons.
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    I have not read or heard anyone advocating ONLY or to exclusively support the NRA in this thread. I have heard the anti NRA people desperately trying to justify their non support though.

    What has been said repeatedly is make sure you support the NRA too. Not exclusively or inspite of, but together. I know a radical concept for some.

    As the post election reports are coming in, it shows that apparent reason the Republicans lost was from a lack of Republicans going to voting. Fundamentally a lack of support. Is that what you are now advocating for the NRA now?

    Sounds like you will gin up your own reason for not supporting the NRA.

    Go figure.

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    GOA Vs. JPFO Vs. NRA Vs. AHSA Vs. NSYRPA Vs. VCDL...........

    Ok there are a few pro-gun groups out there or a few hundred... some are more pro-gun than others. But let's ignore the gun movement and look at the animal rights movement.

    There is HSUS, PETA, and ALF.

    HSUS was extreme, then PETA came along and was extremer, thus making HSUS seem less extreme and more legitimate... Then came ALF which was extremerer and made PETA seem less extreme and more legitimate - so I am anticipating another groups which will be extremererer than ALF.... and so on and so forth. Each time the less extreme group is able to become more extreme and get away with it.

    The NRA is by the media and other anti-gun groups considered to be extreme. AHSA was created to make the NRA seem more extreme by claiming to be pro-gun. GOA and JPFO is more "extreme" than the NRA in the positions it takes. Joining the GOA and JPFO we make the NRA seem less extreme and more legitimate and palatable to the fence sitters and antis, thus allowing the NRA the ability to be more agressive, with GOA JPFO taking all the heat for "being extreme". Once the GOA and JPFO are taking all the heat and people have forgotten about the NRA we can create an organization that has a more agressive 2A stance... and so on and so forth. Where this comparasin differs the most is our unwillingness to use violence to our ends. Join as many groups swells the rolls and population shows legitimancy.
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    Where this comparasin differs the most is our willingness to use violence to our ends
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    Where this comparasin differs the most is our willingness to use violence to our ends
    We do not advocate any violence at all.

    This is America. There is a Revolution every two years. I call it an election. We can take control of the House, and often the Senate IF WE ARE WILLING TO MAKE THE COMMITMENT.

    Organize behind the NRA, instead of pissing on each other, and get the job done. "RUCK UP, PRESS ON".

    Go figure.

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