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Thread: New Jersey Anti Says:Post Election Gun Spike,No Big Deal

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    New Jersey Anti Says:Post Election Gun Spike,No Big Deal

    The very,very gun hating Mr.Miller believes the whole thing is a sham by gun shop operators "clinging" to a declining product.
    Guess he hasn't been in stores or tried ordering on the phone lately.

    http://blog.nj.com/njv_bryan_miller/..._gun_sale.html

    Post-election spike in gun sales? No big deal
    Posted by Bryan Miller November 09, 2008 4:17PM
    Categories: Hot Topics, Law & Order

    The press has been full of reports in recent days of gun shop owners across the country claiming sales have climbed dramatically since last Tuesday's election. Said owners attribute this supposed spike to Barack Obama's election as, per the quoted remarks of a Seattle gun shop owner: "He wants to take our guns from us and create a socialist society policed by his own police force." (see http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/07/america/gun.php)

    Overlooking the craziness of this gun retailer's sentiment, I am highly skeptical of the sales claims. Note that gun dealers are the ones making them. I've seen this happen numerous times over the years. Gun dealers have long believed it will gain them more sales if they rouse the press by claiming a huge spike in sales due to some major event (9/11, Katrina, Pelosi's ascension as Speaker of the House, Britney and Justin's break up). And, of course, if you're in a declining industry and dependent upon lethality for sales and profits, best to try and scare folks.

    But, the news is that it's a mainly just a sales technique. Nothing for the non-gun owning majority of us to be concerned about.

    The press falls for it over and over. Then, a few months after the relevant event the real sales figures come out and we learn (although it gets very little press attention) that the supposed enormous spike was really a moderate and temporary increase, at best (or, depending on your point of view, at worst). The data, in fact, show long-term and permanent declines both in the number of federally licensed gun dealers (FFLs) in America and the portion of the population owning guns.

    According to data compiled from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives the number of FFLs in the US dropped by 79% during the period 1994 to 2007, from 245,628 across the country at the beginning to 50,630 at the end (http://www.vpc.org/studies/dealers07.pdf).

    Further, according to the 2006 General Social Survey of the University of Chicago's National Opinion Research Center, which has followed American attitudes toward guns and ownership thereof since 1972 (26 rounds), the percentage of households in the United States reporting having any guns in the home has fallen from a high of 54 percent in 1977 to 34.5 percent in 2006, a decline of almost 20 percentage points (http://www.vpc.org/studies/gunownership.pdf). Happily, the rate of ownership in New Jersey is far lower yet.

    One further point - I'm inclined to believe that the vast bulk of folks buying guns per recent gun shop owners' claims are repeat buyers, they already have guns at home.

    You can see it, can't you? The 'boys with their toys' using any excuse to do the old: "Hey, Honey, because (Obama was elected, a big snow is predicted, an old tree looks frail, any excuse for a new toy) I need to go down to the (gun shop, hardware store, etc.) and pick up a new (gun, snow blower, chain saw, whatever)."

    I doubt there are many new buyers. So, again, this 'crisis' is of far less concern than the press makes it. It's really no big deal.

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    amazing. is this seriously how antis think? he's simply thought about what he wants to be true and convinced himself that it is!

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    The reason for the decline of so many FFL's was because Clinton drove them out of business!
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    not to mention that the drop in number of FFLs has nothing to do with the number of gun sales. it just means the remaining FFLs are even busier than before.

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    And people willing to report owning guns to a stranger declined even further :-)
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    When nearly a third of all Americans own firearms, it should be no surprise to anyone that there will be many repeat buyers.

    There is a huge spike in sales. This has nothing to do with "fear mongering." It is a response to a bill that is nigh to being voted upon in the forthcoming months, particularly a bill banning the types of weapons being sold.

    This is not new. This happened 14 years ago. People are getting while the getting is good. The editorial writer needs to get with the program. Keeping his head in the sand will lead to significant inner ear discomfort.
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    I know what I have witness the past two weeks, This reporter is full of it.

    However, I will agree with one point. The sales are going mostly to current gun owners. Not real sure if that matters or not.

    Of course that current gun owner with his revolver & shotgun, now owns and AR-15.

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    the percentage of households in the United States reporting having any guns in the home has fallen from a high of 54 percent in 1977 to 34.5 percent in 2006, a decline of almost 20 percentage points
    This is my favorite part. This guy says it right there for us and doesn't even realize he's doing so.

    Or as Oleg says...
    And people willing to report owning guns to a stranger declined even further :-)
    I sometimes wonder if we (gun owners) really are a minority. I know a whole lot of folks who are totally "off the radar" but still gun owners.
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    I find it interesting that in his closing paragraph he compares guns to snowblowers and chainsaws. If they are just "boys toys" (does his use of that phrase make anyone else uncomfortable?) like any other power tool, why ban them? It's funny how the anti's will use whatever argument suits them at the moment regardless of how contrary it is to their position.

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    Guy's an idiot ... I'm friends with my local gun store owner (yes, a repeat customer!) and he says business is booming, from both his experience and the experience of other gun shop owners he talks with ... you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows ...

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    The people I have been seeing at the local shop have been first time buyers looking for their first handgun or rifle. I hope this trend continues.
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    Well, I stopped by a local gun shop at lunch today. The owner said that it has been a very frustrating day because he has been trying to order guns all morning and virtually no distributor has any. At least what ever he is looking for. If nobody is buying them, I guess all the guns went on a field trip last week because they sure are not on the distibutor's shelves.

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    34.5 percent in 2006
    From the VPC who also gave us 21 year old gangbangers listed as kids.
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    The guns all went home 'cos they don't want to play anymore. They took magazines with them, because those things are unobtainium right now.

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    Well let's see, maybe all the gun owners moved out of NJ?? That would explain the lack of business there...
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    We in NJ are well aware of Mr. Millers rant's. This guy is dangerous. He has a tendency to force his twisted view of the 2nd amendment on all New Jerseyans through popular media (newspapers, blogs, etc.). He likes to attend assembly hearings and spew outright lies and spread disinformation to as many people including NJ state lawmakers as he can. His anti gun views are appalling.
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    I doubt there are many new buyers. So, again, this 'crisis' is of far less concern than the press makes it. It's really no big deal.
    ...and anyway, we're going to take all those guns away from the workers and peasants in short order.
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    if it's not such a big deal then ask Obama why he removed the AWB portion of his platform from change.gov. Perhaps he didn't want to be seen as confirming the fears of these panic buyers
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    This is NJ...

    One further point - I'm inclined to believe that the vast bulk of folks buying guns per recent gun shop owners' claims are repeat buyers, they already have guns at home.
    This is probably true in NJ. It takes months to get an FID, you can't buy your first gun on impulse here

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    When the newspaper here reports that guns and ammo are selling like ice cream on a 100 day to rich kids, and gun ownership in Montana is likely as high as anywhere else, you know that people are worried and maybe Mr Miller should be.

    I'm hoping that Americans are not as compliant as Europeans, Australians, and Canadians when it comes to gun confiscation plans. From what happened in CA when registration of autoloaders became law we don't seem to be all that compliant to Big Brother.

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    i have one centerfire rifle, one rimfire, one shotgun, and one revolver on my 'to do' list; and mr. obamas new job does not affect my plans in any way.

    the flustered folks making hurried purchases aren't very likely to get the best value for their dollars. more to the point, what is the chance they'll buy ammo sufficient to their needs?

    which is, one barrels worth per barrel.

    for almost every gun, a multiple of the purchase price..

    not to mention mags, optics, slings, cases, cleaning and reloading supplies..

    it's just a little bit late for a panic attack. where were you in 2006, asleep under a rock somewhere?

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    I believe he's projecting, and being a liar, he thinks gun stores are lying.

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    And the wheels on the bus go round and round. Typical NJ liberal garbage. Yawn.

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    The only article he links to that is from 2008 is the original link.
    I don't care about statistics from '06 and '07.
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    Here's a journalistic tip from a novice:

    When writing an opinion piece, it should be written so that any old schmuck with the internet can't quickly and nearly effortlessly prove you factually incorrect.

    This is basically the only paramater. You can write about aliens abucting things and develop an opinion piece with more merit than this.

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