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    When Seconds Count: Stopping Active Killers (Positive Local TV News Piece)

    When Seconds Count: Stopping Active Killers

    WCPO (Channel 9, Cincinnati) News report on 11:00 news last night

    http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story...0-947534a6de3c

    The written piece is good, but the video report is much better (top of right-hand column).

    Comments made by both the Chief of Police (Blue Ask, OH) and John Benner of Tactical Defense Institute [near the end of the video piece] reveal dangers and criminal attraction of "gun free" zones.

    In other words, while it was once considered suicide for a lone officer to take on an active killer, it is now considered statistical homicide for him not to do so.
    The other statistic that emerged from a study of active killers is that they almost exclusively seek out "gun free" zones for their attacks.
    In most states, concealed handguns are prohibited at schools and on college campuses even for those with permits.

    Many malls and workplaces also place signs at their entrances prohibiting firearms on the premises.

    Now tacticians believe the signs themselves may be an invitation to the active killers.
    Also, the data show most active killers have no intention of surviving the event.

    They may select schools and shopping malls because of the large number of defenseless victims and the virtual guarantee no on the scene one is armed.

    As soon as they're confronted by any armed resistance, the shooters typically turn the gun on themselves.
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    Hopefully that'll let some people see the light...

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    The link doesn't work for me ("can't find the server")--perhaps you could re-try and edit.

    Very valuable input here, Henry.

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    linked: http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story...0-947534a6de3c

    It seems like they're finally getting it. Great post.

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    Just in case, this should be a link to the video story: http://www.wcpo.com/mediacenter/loca...om&navCatId=23
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    Extremely positive, especially the way the "gun free zones" were pointed out as being targets because they know there are no guns there.
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    Wow, it only took like 15 years and over 100 dead before the cops FINALLY figured out that the sooner they go in, the less people die.

    What a concept.
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    Amazing. Thanks for posting the link.
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    Too bad the general public is more scared of guns than the people wielding them...

    If only logic was involved in their decision making.
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    That made my night. Thanks.
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    Too bad the general public is more scared of guns than the people wielding them...
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    Great piece. The word is finally getting out.

    Interesting concept of "statistical homicide."

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    The "hunker down and wait for SWAT" demise is long overdue.

    But ...

    The "first officer in" tactic could prove to be a problem too. Unless all the patrol officers are given the proper training they may just end up being another victim especially if there is more than one shooter.

    With the typical training officers have been receiving, officers that are former combat trained/experienced military are better prepared for the room-to-room type of "fight". Yet that should change with the TDI and other training programs that are available. It's just a matter of getting the officers through the classes and also setting up departmental training (supplememntal for the smaller departments and in-house/full course for the large departments) going forward.

    Also it is time (actually long over due) for the "police" departments of the "gun free" colleges to be properly trained and armed. As well as allowing licensed faculty and staff to carry on the campus.

    As for the "gun free" malls ... they should wake up and knock off this useless policy. However, arming mall security personnel is another matter unless they seriously upgrade the personnel requirements to include properly trained personnel. But as with so many things in today's society it will probably take a law suit with a mega millions payout to victims of a mall shooting to get the owners (management companies) off the dime.
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    Over all a good report...thanks for sharing!
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    Contenderman wrote: "Also it is time (actually long over due) for the "police" departments of the "gun free" colleges to be properly trained and armed. As well as allowing licensed faculty and staff to carry on the campus."

    Would you believe that at Columbus State (Columbus, Ohio), . . . even their campus police are "gun free"?

    Their female president believes that even though the campus is in one of the "bad" parts of town, . . . that the city police are able to come in fast enough to take care of any armed problem.

    Talk about stupid!!!

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    Awesome. Thanks Mr. Bowman.

    I don't think there will ever be an end to people thinking school shootings are "tragedies" and nothing else. These are the same people that don't like a movie because something bad had to happen in order to make the film more interesting. There's no grasp of reality.

    Call it a tragedy if you want, I call it a problem. Problems have solutions which can be discovered through logic. A guy with a gun must be stopped ASAP... What's next?

    I think Jeff Cooper's quote about fleeing from evil really applies here.

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    I believe we, the people understand firearms are the ultimate solution to the problem of criminal predation; our elected misrepresentatives are another matter altogether.
    Actually, our elected representatives DO understand that an armed populous is the answer to criminal predation. That is why they are trying so diligently to disarm us. Think about it.

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    armedandsafe remarked

    Actually, our elected representatives DO understand that an armed populace is the answer to criminal predation. That is why they are trying so diligently to disarm us. Think about it.
    That was confusing to me until I followed your advice and thought about it.

    You are 100% right.

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    ArmedandSafe:

    I am going to steal that for my new sig line. OK?
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    But ...

    The "first officer in" tactic could prove to be a problem too. Unless all the patrol officers are given the proper training they may just end up being another victim especially if there is more than one shooter.
    Officers need training of course, but let's face it, if they are not prepared mentally to go in, trained or not, backup or not, then they are in the wrong line of work.

    I wasn't even aware they waited for 4 officers to show up before going in. That's a big help, isn't it? Help for the shooter...

    Well, this is an excellent report. Hope it gets through some thick skulls out there.

    My term for "gun free zones" is "target-rich zones".

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    Best thing I've read today.

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    great article, I sent the author an email.
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    DHS / NRF Active Shooter response

    http://www.lpinformation.com/Portals...Guidelines.pdf

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    It's a great article, but unfortunately pretty much unsourced. I would like to know where the author got his info.
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