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    Gun-Free Zones KILL!

    When Seconds Count: Stopping Active Killers



    There have been so many school shootings over the last 40 years that researchers have been able to develop a profile of the typical mass murderer.
    They're called "active shooters" or "active killers" and their crimes play out in a matter of minutes.

    After the Columbine High School massacre in 1999, police changed their tactics. The two student gunmen killed 15 people and themselves before the SWAT team was in position.
    Commanders realized that it simply takes too long to assemble a tactical team in time to stop an active killer.

    The new tactics developed in response to Columbine involved creating an ad-hoc tactical team using the first four or five patrol officers on the scene. They would enter the shooting scene in a diamond formation with guns pointing in all directions. This technique was employed by police departments around the country.

    Then 32 people were killed by a lone gunman at Virginia Tech in April 2007. Seung Hui Cho shot 47 people, 30 fatally, in the university's Norris Hall in just 11 minutes.
    That means every minute he killed more than three people and shot a total of four. Once again, the gunman continued shooting until a four-officer team made entry and then he killed himself. Law enforcement once again reviewed its tactics.
    Based on the Virginia Tech data, top tactics training facilities determined the first officer on scene should make entry immediately with an aggressive attack on the shooter. Every minute the officer waits for back-up, another three or more people could die.
    In other words, while it was once considered suicide for a lone officer to take on an active killer, it is now considered statistical homicide for him not to do so.

    Tactical Defense Institute in Adams County, Ohio developed one of the first "single officer response" programs in the nation. TDI was teaching the tactic even before Virginia Tech. Now the National School Resource Officer Organization (NSRO) is using TDI instructors to teach school resource officers nationwide how to confront a gunman immediately.
    Locally, all Blue Ash police officers are trained in these new tactics in large part because their chief, Col. Chris Wallace, is also a TDI instructor.

    The other statistic that emerged from a study of active killers is that they almost exclusively seek out "gun free" zones for their attacks. In most states, concealed handguns are prohibited at schools and on college campuses even for those with permits. Many malls and workplaces also place signs at their entrances prohibiting firearms on the premises.
    Now some tacticians believe the signs themselves may be an invitation to the active killers.

    The psychological profile of a mass murderer indicates he is looking to inflict the most casualties as quickly as possible. Also, the data show most active killers have no intention of surviving the event. They may select schools and shopping malls because of the large number of defenseless victims and the virtual guarantee no on the scene one is armed.
    As soon as they're confronted by any armed resistance, the shooters typically turn the gun on themselves.
    (UPDATE 11/21/08 by Anchor/Reporter Brendan Keefe):

    We have received many requests about the source for our assertion that most mass murders have occurred in otherwise "gun free" zones.

    The experts are Ron Borsch from SEALE Academy in Bedford, Ohio and John Benner from Tactical Defense Institute.

    A summary of Borsch's study can be found here

    We also conducted our own analysis of mass murders in the U.S. The vast majority occurred in schools or on college campuses where firearms are banned as a matter of state statutes. Others took place in post offices where firearms are banned as a matter of federal law. Most of the rest took place in shopping malls or other businesses where the owners posted signs prohibiting firearm possession by anyone including those with CCW permits.

    In some states, like Ohio, those signs have the force of law and violators are prosecuted under the relevant statute. In other states, like Texas, the signs are considered trespass notices and violators are first asked to leave, then they are arrested for trespass if they decline (of course, if your weapon is visible, it's no longer concealed and there are other potential legal consequences).

    Based on data from the SEALE study, an analysis by TDI, and our own painstaking research, we are able to say definitively that most "active killer" shootings have occurred in so-called "gun free" zones. The experts who say they may be "invitations" are also John Benner and Ron Borsch who have six decades of law enforcement experience and training between them.

    The Luby's Cafeteria shooting in Killeen, TX in 1991 took place before Texas adopted its Florida-style CCW law. In fact, that mass murder of 23 people was used as an example by those seeking to enact the CCW legislation.

    It is accurate to say firearms were banned in Luby's at that time because there was no uniform concealed carry law in place in 1991. In fact, several victims and survivors had legally owned handguns in their cars at the time of the shooting.

    While that shooting was not addressed in our story, it and others over the last 40 years were analyzed in our investigation.

    As journalists, we are not interested in entering into the heated debate over gun control. We are, however, interested in reporting the facts. In this story, the facts point to the active shooters ignoring gun prohibitions and perhaps selecting those locations because they are "soft targets" where no resistance would be found.

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    To reiterate the final line of the story:

    In this story, the facts point to the active shooters ignoring gun prohibitions and perhaps selecting those locations because they are "soft targets" where no resistance would be found.

    Ban gun-free zones! Do it for the children!
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    I'm with you, AB.

    I remember that about the only joy many of us could scratch out of 9/11 was that this, THIS would finally be the wake-up call for the Government and the anti-gunners.

    Guns were NOT the problem. Bad guys were the problem--a problem made infinitely worse by disarming the good guys and telling us to be non-confrontational with evil.

    As the details of what occured slowly dribbled out that day, we speculated on what would need to be changed to prevent the 9/11 hijacking/bombing from ever being repeated.

    "Nothing," said my brother. "Now that we know that this can happen, no passengers will ever sit by and let another plane be taken." We did not yet know that Flight 93 had already proven his point.

    I envisioned that it would eventually be possible to apply for, and get, some sort of credentials that identified you as a good guy. I mean, enforcement agents from the US Dept. of Agriculture can carry arms on commercial flights--I'm sure I can pass whatever screening they passed. And then, I present the ID: "Oh, good morning Mr. Loosedhorse. Thank you for flying with us today--will you be flying armed?"

    Sadly--yet another failure of our current leadership--the Government took the opposite course, deciding that the real danger was allowing us--me!--to carry water and shampoo onto flights!

    It's a sad fact that the most visible memorial that currently stands to all those 9/11 victims and heroes is the monumental inconveniencing and harrassing of millions of innocent people at airports, while making no attempt at all to sort the good from the bad.

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    LoosedHorse, I have given up in believing that the goal of the government is anything but control, as an end unto itself.
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    LoosedHorse, I have given up in believing that the goal of the government is anything but control, as an end unto itself.
    Yep. Socialist utopia is just around the corner.
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    Gun-free zones: The Left's most deadly weapon.

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    I have given up in believing that the goal of the government is anything but control
    You forgot providing pensions for its employees. That's Job #1!

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    Standing Wolf, sadly, it's not only the Left who wants control over you.
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    As journalists, we are not interested in entering into the heated debate over gun control. We are, however, interested in reporting the facts.






    I will go to work today and chuckle to myself all day long. Thank you for bringing some humor to us today. What a unique concept, somebody call ABC,NBC,CBS,CNN - now THIS is a story!
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    I've been a cop for twenty-eight years and an SRO (School Resource officer) for the past six years. What I find interesting about this study is that the public is just finding out about it. I don't know when this study was published or when it became public, but for the past five years we've been training under this scenario: There is an active shooter in the school. The first officer on the scene immediately makes entry and aggressively confronts the shooter. The first officer takes the shooter under fire, trying to defeat the shooter or put pressure on him to make him change the focus of his mission from murder of innocents to defense against the police. Follow-on officers form teams and start clearing the building or present a more organized response to relieve the lone officer.

    Basically, the first officer goes immediately for the shooter. Follow-on teams march to the sound of the gunfire to overwhelm the shooter. HOPEFULLY, the first guy will take the shooter out with one round, or his first magazine. Follow-on teams will bring the mops to clean up the blood and calm the children.

    We've been training on these scenarios for five years, and everyone is touting this new study as something amazing. It's pretty much just common sense.

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    I recently read about how the Students for Concealed Carry on Campus are having a "NOT A DIME" campaign aimed at refusing donations to universities until they drop their anti self defense policies, and making sure to let them know why they aren't donating.

    Vote with your wallets...
    Gun control is like fighting drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to buy cars.

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    I've been a cop for twenty-eight years and an SRO (School Resource officer) for the past six years. What I find interesting about this study is that the public is just finding out about it. I don't know when this study was published or when it became public, but for the past five years we've been training under this scenario
    The original story focused on the training of all officers in Blue Ash, Ohio (suburb of Cincinnati). There, they do not have any SROs, so the department has made sure that whoever happens to be the first officer on the scene, they will have been trained for that scenario (and quite possible in that building).

    John Lott has done research and analysis on multiple victim homicides in public or work places and has confirmed the analysis of those discussed in the story. As far as I know, Lott hasn't published his study on this subject, at least not in more than a short op-ed page piece.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PawPaw
    for the past five years we've been training under this scenario: There is an active shooter in the school. The first officer on the scene immediately makes entry and aggressively confronts the shooter.
    Great!

    Now that this training is well known, expect video game manufacturers to update their "shooting" games, and train our next school shooter that ONLY IF HE SHOOTS THE LONE COP does he get to continue his rampage!

    You guys, watch yourselves out there!

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    Sounds like a fun game, I'd buy it!

    Dope
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    Gun-free zones: The Left's most deadly weapon.
    I disagree. The left's most deadly weapon is the indoctrination of the children of this country into voluntary victims. Now, with that said, the gun free zones have helped get that particular ball rolling.

    They teach do not fight back, do not resist. Will make it easier for them to take over when their time is right... and that time... was twenty days ago.
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