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    In a dilemma here. 22lr ammo problem

    Hi, I bought a Ruger Mark1 22 with a red dot scope on it a few weeks ago and finally got to take it into the woods last weekend. I used CCI mini-mag HP 36 grain shells and fired the first 100 rounds without any incident. I ran out of the CCI rounds but I bought a 550 bulk pack of Remington 22 Golden Bullets. I loaded the mag and chambered a round and when I pulled the trigger all I got was click on the first round. WTF, I ejected the round and looked at it and it had a good hit on the brass. It fired the next 7 rounds and then had another failure to fire. Again the brass looked like a good hit with the firing pin.
    Out of the first 50 rounds I had three more failure to fires and that works out to 10% misfire rate. I suspected the Remington ammo so I put 100 rounds through a Marlin 22 auto rifle I have without any failures.
    I hate to think the Ruger is going to be a CCI ammo gun.
    The Remington ammo specs are 36 grain bullets with a 1280 fps rating. The specs are almost identical to the CCI stuff. Any ideas what I should do?? I can't say for sure the ammo is defective nor can I say the Ruger is defective.
    Any help appreciated...

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    My experience with my Buckmark pistol is that Golden Bullets are the worst of the bulk .22LR ammo. CCI Blazer is the most reliable bulk in my .22 pistols. Sportman's Warehouse sells it for about $15 for 500.

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    2 duds in 9 rounds sounds about right to me, for the Remington bulk stuff.

    I get more duds with that than anything else.

    In fact, I've never had a dud that was any other brand!
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    Did you try the duds again with them spun to another position? Likely, they would have fired. Remington seems to have trouble with some lots getting the priming compound all the way around the rim, and when you hit a gap....well, nothing happens.

    All Remington ammo isn't like this, but when you start getting lots of duds with a particular box....you are likely to get more.

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    I have not had particularly good luck with that ammo either. The Wally World bulk packs from Federal and Winchester have been better, especially the Fed in my guns.
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    In my Buckmark, the wax (or whatever it is they put on the ammo at the factory) seems to gum up the chamber and not allow the shell to 'lock into battery'. I gave up on the Remington and use them only in my bolt action rifles. After a good cleaning, the Buckmark seems to run fine on CCI ammo.
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    I have shot a fair amount of .22 ammo over the years. I buy about 3000 rounds of .22 Walmart bulk ammo every other week (payday). I also own a whole bunch of .22 firearms and conversions: dozens of them.

    This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone but I have found that certain guns like certain ammo while another gun dosn't like that ammo at all. Some of my guns run Remington flawlessly, others won't run it at all. As an example: I have a Ceiner .22lr conversion for a 1911 Officer's Model. They recommend CCI Minimags. I have found that it pretty much won't run on anything else. I have an Advantage Arms .22lr conversion for a Glock 17. They tell you to NOT run Federal ammo in it and Remington Golden Bullets are the way to go. Mine doesn't seem to be that sensitive; it seems to run on whatever I feed it but it has choked on Federal. It does run flawlessly on Remington. My Rugers seem to function fine on anything I put in them.

    Point being: there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with Remington .22 ammo. Your gun just doesn't like it. Try a few different brands and types of ammo until you find something that runs and buy a lot of it.

    When I say that a certain gun doesn't like a certain ammo, the symptoms can take many forms. It might not feed, it might not group well, or it might not go off when you attempt to fire the gun. It has nothing to do with priming compound: the same ammo will work perfectly in another gun.
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    My Ruger Mark III prefers the CCI mini-mag ammo. My Smith and Wesson model 617 revolver likes all brands [so far].
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    I've had similiar with the Remington stuff. I've had good luck with the White box Winchester bulk ammo.

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    I'm with 444 on this one... I've got guns that cycle on anything I put in them and others that are finicky as hell about what ammo they get. I pick up the ftf's and run them through other guns and about 90 percent of them go off on the 2nd strike... my guess, is that it's the strength of the hit by the firing pin or the head spacing from the chamber of the firing pin.

    I'm sure there are some manufacturing flaws in the ammo, just like anything else, but ALL of the bullets come off the same assembly line, so I doubt if there is some mysterious reason that they don't fire. I know Remington, Winchester, and CCI all have quality control checks, so if the ammo passes the QC check, one shell's as good as the next.

    I'm a firm believer in putting good springs into the hammer systems of your firearms, and making your trigger systems as soft as possible. Most people either put all hard springs in their guns or all soft springs, and either method causes problems... which is why half of the posts here are complaints about the "characteristics" of a particular gun.

    Guns are mechanical devices. If they meet the design specifications, and are adjusted properly, you will most likely have no problems. When you go off the reservation with them, they start screwing up... and it doesn't matter how much you "adjust", you have to have a correct alignment of all the parts that make it go boom to have good results. Ammo is ammo... it's manufactured just like the last bullet that came off the same press, so unless you have a faulty primer, or a mis-loaded powder charge, or a wrong depth of insertion of the bullet into it, all things being equal, it should go bang.

    My advice is "check your weapon first", and make sure it's in good condition. If you have FTF's, its probably the weapon and not the ammo. To disprove that theory, shoot the ammo in a different gun.

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    Well Wristtwister I can agree a little with what you are saying. The Remington runs fine in the rifle. I have a couple of other 22 auto rifles I will try it in but if the Ruger isn't within spec why does it work fine with the CCI ammo? It will be a couple of weeks before I can get back to the lake to check out other guns but I will. I will be trying some Winchester in the Ruger and see how it works. I bought the Remington ammo because of its brand. From the looks of the dents in the cartridge it doesn't appear to be a firing pin or spring issue, it just didn't set the round off. I didn't retry the rounds as I wanted to hold them in case others had issues and recommended I return the ammo.
    FWIW, if the Rem ammo will work in the rifles I will just get the CCI or other ammo that will run in the Ruger. I really don't like stocking different brands because the gun likes it or not so I am going to eventually find the one ammo all will function in. I don't want to be running out of one kind and not be able to use the others in a certain gun.
    I will try different brands and let you folks know in the future how it turns out.

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    The one .22LR ammo that seems to work in any gun, any time is CCI Mini-Mag. I don't know why it works but it does.
    The problem of course is that it isn't what Walmart sells in bulk packs. I have a case (maybe half a case now) of CCI Mini-Mag that I use in my Ceiner conversion. But, I have shot it in everything else I own and it always works. I also take it when I am hunting.
    Again, if I only wanted one ammo that would work in everything, I would buy CCI. but, it is just too easy to just buy the Walmart stuff and take the time to see what works in what gun.
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    You said "I will try it in but if the Ruger isn't within spec why does it work fine with the CCI ammo?"

    I suspect the CCI ammo might have a lower threshold for ignition of the primer coating in the bullets. Seriously, the only thing that can be different when all the ammo comes off the same line is the striker pressure that's trying to ignite the primer coating. That's controlled by the spring pressure of the hammer driving the firing pin. If it's hammerless, it's the drive spring for the firing pin. Pressure from striking=heat for ignition... that's not a complicated equation. If the CCI primer coating has a lower threshold of ignition, it would take less pressure to cause it to fire... hence, the pressure on the firing pin could be less and still work. Put a shell with a higher ignition (striker) pressure requirement in, and it won't work.

    The same would hold true if the powder was simply packed into the shells, and the difference there might be a "hollow" space in how the powder fitted up against the rear of the shell. I'm sure some manufacturers don't use a primer coating for ignition, but either way, the striker pressure will determine if the gun goes bang.

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    My Ruger has never liked the Golden 22's and I've tried them several times over a 30 year period, even before they were bulk packed.

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    I grew up on those Remington Golden Bullets.
    My dad used to buy 10 of those 100 packs in the plastic tray with the sliding lid for me.
    He wasn't into guns but he was really supportive of me. When that thousand ran out, he would buy me another thousand. I didn't get many toys and never got fashionable clothes but for some reason he respected my shooting hobby.

    The Remingtons are good ammo. But, you just have to find something your gun will eat. My Ruger Mk.II s work just fine on them. I have have several of them. I got the standard model. I replaced the factory barrel with the Paclite so I can run a suppressor. I have the stainless 5 1/2" which I had threaded. I have the big 10" or 12" that I also had threaded. I have one that has an integral suppressors: an AAC Phoenix (built from a Mk.II). I think I might have another one or two. They work fine with Remington bulk pack.

    Here are a few of them;

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    I bought a Ruger Mark1 22 with a red dot scope on it a few weeks ago
    MK1? That's an old pistol. At least 26 years. May be time for a new hammer spring. Not sure if anyone else suggested it. Didn't have time to read through all the posts.

    Even with good primer dents it might still be just a little short on power, since the Marlin was trouble free with the same ammo.

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    Out of the first 50 rounds I had three more failure to fires and that works out to 10% misfire rate. I suspected the Remington ammo so I put 100 rounds through a Marlin 22 auto rifle I have without any failures.
    I hate to think the Ruger is going to be a CCI ammo gun.
    I've bought something over 30,000 rounds of (Wal Mart) 550 bulk pack Winchester, Federal and Remington.

    This ammo has a fair amount of duds do to the cases not being primed.
    I make it a practice to pull the bullets on the missfires and the malfunction is always due to a lack of primer compound.

    The quality control now days is poor.

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    This ammo has a fair amount of duds do to the cases not being primed.
    I make it a practice to pull the bullets on the missfires and the malfunction is always due to a lack of primer compound.

    The quality control now days is poor.
    I've done the same thing, but actually, it may be that the priming compound got shaken loose, either in shipping or due to the firing pin impact. Next dud you get, really closely inspect the powder. I've noticed small green flakes in the powder of the duds I've seen.
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    Might check out this thread/poll?

    Did a poll a few weeks back after buying a couple of 22 pistols-might want to check it out and try the ammo based on poll results?
    http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=401071
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    The two times I bought Remington, I had a bunch of duds with a variety of guns. None for me, thanks.
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    I stay away from Remington rimfire ammo. My MK 1 doesn't care for it either. Now Blazer, or Federal Bulk Packs, it will shoot all day.
    Move along move along. Nothing to see here.

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    Another MKII owner (two of them) and I use the Federal bulk pack exclusively, after difficulties with the Remington brand...

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    Update: I called Remington

    This morning I called Remington to discuss the problem. FWIW, I went back out and put 200 rds of CCI Mini Mag and 250 rds of Winchester Wildcat 22 through the Ruger and didn't have a hiccup. I loaded a mag full of the Golden bullets and had a misfire on the 4th shot.
    Anyway, I called Remington in Arkansas this morning to discuss this since others have complained also. I was told they were aware of the problem and are sure they corrected it but there is still some old product out there that has issues. They are sending a label to pick up the remaining ammo from me and said they will reimburse the cost. I didn't call them for reimbursement, I called them because Remington is a well known brand and shouldn't have these issues. I told them I didn't want a reimbursement as it's not worth the trouble for the money for reimbursement. I will keep you posted to what they do. If they do replace the ammo then I won't be able to complain much about their customer service. We shall see what happens.

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    Ray62406, as I was reading your post, I saw "550" and "Remington" and immediately cringed. I'll echo what everyone else has said here: Remington bulk .22s suck.

    If you can get some, the Federal 550 round pack (Load #750) works quite a bit better, and from what I recall, is quite a bit cheaper, too ($13.50 for a brick of 550 rounds at Walmart). Not 100%, of course (and who would expect 100% with bulk ammo?), but at least it feeds properly and in a 550 brick, I can expect only (maybe) 5 FTFires, and most of those will light with a second strike or hitting a different place on the rim.

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    The remington bulk that I have are about 8 years old (bought a case) and has been good. The bulk federal from Walmart has been so so some duds and some week rounds but generally runs in my Ruger. I bought a box of bulk winchesters and they would not cycle the ruger but work OK in the wife's S&W 422? The remingtons run in an old sterling as well as cci mini mags but it wont work with any thing else that I have tried. A MK 1 that I had would misfire in cold weather but always ran in worm weather, I replaced the firing pin and that fixed the problem. ---Bill
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