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Thread: I bought a new gun - and it's a cheapo!

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    I bought a new gun - and it's a cheapo!

    The best gun I own is my beloved Ruger New Vaquero in 357. It's been mildly modified (spring kit, altered grips, SuperBlackhawk hammer and custom front sight) and since I found a new fanny pack rig I really, REALLY like (more on that later) it's been brought back to daily CCW duty.

    But, what I didn't have was a .22cal "trainer" to go with it. I was going to get a used Ruger Single Six but was unhappy with that idea, not because it's a bad gun but because it's heft, feel and holster compatibility were different enough that I didn't think I'd be getting the same "muscle memory training".

    I then came across a new Cimmaron SA: the "Plinkerton" .22.

    This thing looks cheap, and it's build about the same as a Heritage Rough Rider - but it's a full "size and heft clone" of the Colt SAA. At the gun show I was open-carrying my NewVaq in a kydex/leather holster I'd built for it, and the Plinkerton dropped right into that like it was made for it.

    At $170? Sold.

    That was Sunday, I haven't shot it yet, but I have very high hopes it will be usable as a trainer/companion to the NewVaq, including the ability to go out in the Arizona desert and draw/shoot from both my concealment and open-carry holsters.

    I don't have a lot of money, by choice as I'm doing things I think are important. Right now I couldn't replace my NewVaq (stock, let alone modified - the sight work was $160). With luck the Plinkerton will let me bump my skills with the NewVaq to a level I couldn't afford to do with centerfire, and for a lot less money than most reloading setups.

    Unlike any gun I've ever bought, this is one I would NOT trust my life to...but that's not it's role.

    Gunblast has a review up that seems accurate:

    http://www.gunblast.com/Cimarron-Plinkerton.htm

    ...and here's the comments I just sent them:

    Jeff,

    I just picked up a Plinkerton Sunday as a trainer/companion for my
    Ruger New Vaquero. In my opinion the Plinkerton has really one role
    in life: to act as a stand-in for an SAA or closely similar gun. In
    that role it appears to be well suited based on your review and my
    handling so far (haven't shot it yet). It fits a custom kydex holster
    I made for my NewVaq like a glove, and should fit any SAA-compatible
    holster. My NewVaq in 357 seems to weigh a bit more than the
    Plinkerton but that may be because the Plinkerton is trying to clone
    the weight of a 45LC SAA-class gun. I don't find the weight
    difference annoying.

    Upshot: unlike a Ruger Single Six, Heritage or other .22s we've been
    using as SA practice guns, the Plinkerton can be used to develop
    muscle memory from holster to fire that is appropriate for more
    serious business in more serious guns. That's valuable enough to
    overlook a bit of cheesy-lookin' finish and funky screws.

    I find a number of clues that tell us that whoever designed this thing
    on a budget actually knew what they were doing. The sight picture is
    surprisingly decent, with a very deep rear channel and a fair amount
    of daylight either side of the rear sight. The forcing cone and
    throats on mine are surprisingly tidy and neat, there's no endshake,
    rotational play isn't any worse than a Ruger. My specimen isn't
    showing a gap variance between bores so it might end up being more
    accurate than yours. Trigger pull isn't exactly "glass rod breaking"
    but it's not gritty either...it feels kinda like a glass rod wrapped
    in 1/16th of an inch of soft rubber, like there's a final "squish"
    that needs to be overcome before firing. I don't expect it to hinder
    accuracy much.

    The Plinkerton isn't an Uberti, rather it's by Armi Chiappa in Italy
    and support is via Armi Chiappa, not Cimmaron. AC has a US support
    facility at least to cover the one year warrantee, but it appears we
    may have limited support from Cimmaron if any.

    The good news is that Armi Chiappa has been providing long guns to
    Cimmaron for some time now, and per one source the 1892 levergun you
    mention is in fact an Armi Chiappa.

    I for one would NOT recommend people buy it with the .22Mag cylinder,
    even at $20. This gun just shouldn't be relied on for serious duty,
    and it's possible the hottest .22Mags would accelerate wear. Used as
    a .22 practice gun it should digest a fair amount with no
    problems...even if it only goes 30,000 rounds of .22LR (and it should
    do more!), the ammo cost savings in those shots versus centerfire make
    it very much worth it for the budget shooter.
    Jim March
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    Jeez, I didn't realize you carried a blackhawk, knew you liked 'em. You're my new non-tacticool hero. Single actions are just too big and heavy for me, but I could see one if you like fanny packs. I hope to be able to open carry in this state some day and I'll work on a good rig for my .45. I reckon I'll also have to spring for some silvertips if I start carrying it for self defense.

    The gun sounds interesting, but I'd like to know how the gun shoots off the bench at 25 yards for reference. The price is quite attractive.

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    It's a New Vaquero with modified sights, spring kit and lower SBR hammer...I call it a "Vaqhawk":



    Plus a little bit of "psych warfare" on the nose...
    Jim March
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    I like it! I'd love to have one of those new 12 shot .22 SAA clones from USFA. It's supposed to be the same large size as well. That's if they ever start selling them...
    "Yeah that's a real gun in that gun rack.
    No I don't have a permit for it.
    You got a permit to ask stupid questions like that?"

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    I'd love to have one of those new 12 shot .22 SAA clones from USFA.
    So would I, but I flat-out can't afford it. Which is the whole point of the Plinkerton...
    Jim March
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    Oh, I get it...Plinkerton....Pinkerton Detective agency...duh.

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    Good lord man how freaking big is your fanny pack I hope you don't fall in a river with that thing on The last thing a bad guy will think is...I'm going to get shot by a creepy little Mr. Bill
    "A gun in every home, peace on every street" Frank Fontaine, BioShock

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    Well you can see my LAST fanny pack with that thing in it here:

    http://www.fatallyflawedthemovie.com/

    On somebody my size (6'4", 280lbs) it's no big deal.

    The new fanny pack is much better though:

    http://www.airsoftpost.com/condor-ta...k-p-29476.html

    (And yeah, I transferred that "Liberal camo" peace sign to it...after all, that's where I keep my "piece"...and it's a clone of a "Peacemaker"...)

    This thing is great except I'm going to re-do the straps so that the release isn't at the small of my back where anybody can get to it!!! Gawd is that ever dumb.
    Jim March
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