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    News Release - Pending MT Wolf Bill

    Subject: News Release - Pending Montana wolf bill
    Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:06:48 -0700
    To: mssa@mtssa.org

    Dear MSSA Friends,

    Here's the news release about our next step with the wolf issue in Montana.

    FYI, sponsor Senator Joe Balyeat was chairman of the House Fish, Wildlife and Parks Committee when in the House, and since in the Senate has always been on the Senate Fish and Game Committee. He is very sharp and is an extraordinarily committed and involved big game hunter (bow, rifle, pistol, black powder, etc.) He is also the only CPA in the Montana Legislature. Joe is respected (and feared by some) in the Legislature for his intellectual capacity, and he is on MSSA's Board of Directors.

    Best wishes,

    Gary Marbut, president
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    author, Gun Laws of Montana
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    NEWS RELEASE
    (for immediate release - December 17, 2008)

    Take Back Montana - from Federal Wolves

    MISSOULA - Groundbreaking legislation is prepared for the 2009 legislative session to dramatically rearrange the relationship between Montana and the federal government concerning wolves. Montana's sportsmen are beyond frustration with endless broken promises that wolves will soon be turned over to state management and their population explosion curtailed.

    For years Montana has met the wolf population objectives for removing wolves from the endangered species list, but because of federal incompetence, outright hostility to Montana people by predator advocates and a complicit judiciary, shift to state management has failed to occur.

    The Montana Shooting Sports Association has prepared a bill for the 2009 legislature that will require federal wolves to be brought into compliance with Montana wolf policy by federal managers. Under the bill, as long as federal wolves are not in compliance, there will be consequences for continuing non-compliance. The bill provides state-established benchmarks for compliance with Montana policy, and a process by which compliance certification can be achieved by federal managers.

    This "Wolf Recovery Act" will be sponsored by Senator Joe Balyeat (R-Bozeman), and is intended to assist Montana in recovering from the unmitigated and substantial impact of federal wolves. This bill will not receive a bill number until it is formally introduced in early January, but may be viewed now on the Legislature's Website at:
    http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2009/lchtml/LC0792.htm

    General information about what this bill will accomplish is available at:
    http://www.progunleaders.org/Legis09/wolves.html

    MSSA president Gary Marbut commented, "We've absolutely hit the wall with wolves. Populations of huntable game owned by the people of Montana are being devastated. People and livestock are increasingly at risk. We can no longer tolerate either the plague of wolves in Montana or the tolerant attitude our Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks has displayed in their zeal to accommodate wolves and too many broken federal promises."

    Numerous recent news reports are beginning to focus public attention on the real risk of wolves to people and the considerable impact wolves are having on hunting opportunities and livestock.

    http://billingsgazette.net/articles/...te/18-wolf.txt
    http://www.idahostatesman.com/outdoo...ry/569072.html
    http://www.helenair.com/articles/200...211_wolves.txt
    http://www.dailyinterlake.com/articl...ana/news02.prt
    http://www.dailyinterlake.com/articl...ana/news01.txt
    http://www.dailyinterlake.com/articl...ana/news01.txt

    Although wolf proponents have continually opposed all delisting or down-listing efforts, they have failed to offer any criteria or guarantees at all about under what conditions they would consider wolves to have been recovered and eligible for state management. The efforts of wolf advocates indicate that they will be satisfied only with a "predator/prey balance" which would end big game hunting by Montana people altogether and allow wolf population reduction only through wolf starvation.

    Studied wolf populations are documented to increase at a rate between 25% and 32% per year as long as a food supply is available and disease doesn't flash through the population. Wolves are also documented to kill between 20 and 80 elk per year, for each wolf. Estimates tend to center on wolf kills of about 30 elk per year. It is now estimated that there are over 500 wolves in Montana. FWP lacks current numbers of elk existing in Montana, although elk populations are known to have already crashed in areas with high wolf densities. With these numbers and third-grade math, it is axiomatic that wolves will eventually terminate all hunting opportunities for people in Montana. The only remaining debate is over how long this termination will take.

    Marbut commented, "Montana's hunting heritage is literally being fed to the wolves, federal wolves. When the huntable game is gone or rare and Montana's hunting tradition is history, Montana's community of stockgrowers will come under increasing assault by wolves. Many believe this is intended by predator advocates to drive property owners off the land and turn Montana into a giant park."

    Concerning the proposed wolf legislation, Senator Balyeat said, "I've carried bills before to give Montana authority to deal with wolves upon delisting, but that long-promised delisting never materializes, at least not to last. Montana simply cannot wait any longer to see what the feds may or may not do with wolves. Our people, our game herds and our livestock need protection, now. I am very pleased to be able to sponsor this needed and corrective bill. I believe Montana will rise in support of this effort."

    Similar legislation is currently being drafted in Idaho.

    A story in the Casper (Wyoming) Tribune of December 14th quotes sources as asserting that wolves will be delisted again soon. Wolves have been down-listed once and delisted once, both of which actions were promptly reversed by federal judges sympathetic to wolves. Proponents of the bill to be carried by Senator Balyeat have zero confidence that the currently proposed delisting will prevail. Marbut commented, "How many more times should Charlie Brown trust Lucy to hold the football? None at all!" Proponents believe the Obama administration will move quickly to reverse any delisting. Proponents wish Montana to no longer be sitting on the sidelines, dependent on any federal promises, actions or inactions.

    About this out-of-control wolf experiment in Montana, Bob Fanning, president of the Friends of the Northern Yellowstone Elk Herd said, "FOTNYEH began warning Montanans that game herds would be destroyed by rapidly increasing wolf numbers and densities a decade ago. Those warnings were ignored and the Yellowstone Ecosystem has been rapidly and completely sterilized by excessively large wolf packs that have fanned out far further than the proposed recovery area. Most Montanans are aware that they were fed propaganda for the past decade by pro-wolf bureaucrats. Many Montanans are aware that the Yellowstone Ecosystem has been sterilized of its prey base and is becoming a biological desert."

    "FOTNYEH has worked for a decade," Fanning continued, "to protect the rights, property, customs, culture and heritage of the people of Montana from the federal wolf program forced on our state from afar. FOTNYEH whole-heartedly supports this proposed bill."

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    Contact: Gary Marbut - 549-1252
    Senator Joe Balyeat - 539-5547
    Bob Fanning - 333-4121


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    PS:

    I wanted to post the IDAHO information about the decline in the elk and deer population with LINKS all over the place but I can't find it right now. Apologies to the board.

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    Montana has been making all sorts of motions lately to challenge the power of the Feds. The domestic machine-gun law, refusal to comply with Real ID (capped by a refusal to even file for the extension that the other states got--the Feds filed for the extension on Montana's behalf, because they didn't know how to deal with open refusal), now this.

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    About this out-of-control wolf experiment in Montana, Bob Fanning, president of the Friends of the Northern Yellowstone Elk Herd said, "FOTNYEH began warning Montanans that game herds would be destroyed by rapidly increasing wolf numbers and densities a decade ago. Those warnings were ignored and the Yellowstone Ecosystem has been rapidly and completely sterilized by excessively large wolf packs that have fanned out far further than the proposed recovery area. Most Montanans are aware that they were fed propaganda for the past decade by pro-wolf bureaucrats. Many Montanans are aware that the Yellowstone Ecosystem has been sterilized of its prey base and is becoming a biological desert."
    Interesting claims seeing as the Elk numbers in Yellowstone are now healthier than before the wolves were reintroduced. Attended a lecture just a few weeks ago by the top biologist in the park....The overall picture looks to be very good. I might be a bit anti Wolf *IF* I actuially owned the land I was raising cattle on instead of leasing it from the tax payers for pennies on the dollar..




    Of course, I may be just a bit biased...



    Just look how dangerous they are when people leave food laying around! My child was almost licked completely clean!
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    predators and prey

    your not gonna try to make them believe that predators improve the quality of their prey by weeding out the sick and weak? all that stuff about improving the gene pool and nature striking a balance?

    "Many Montanans are aware that the Yellowstone Ecosystem has been sterilized of its prey base and is becoming a biological desert."

    that was the best line

    FWP lacks current numbers of elk existing in Montana, although elk populations are known to have already crashed in areas with high wolf densities. With these numbers and third-grade math, it is axiomatic that wolves will eventually terminate all hunting opportunities for people in Montana. The only remaining debate is over how long this termination will take.

    was cute too

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    Well, there is that glaring history of the American Bison & Wolves before hunting them.. didn't seem to be a shortage of Bison or Wolves for some reason? Was there an Elk shortage in the 1700's?

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    Talking about the relationships of game in the distant past does not work because man has moved into the habit formally used by the game. Because of this it is up to us to manage the game left on the remaining habitat. I am all for having wolves but they need to be managed, meaning hunted.(and I will be first in line for a tag). Pro wolf organizations do not understand or want to understand that wolves can no longer be allowed to roam wherever they please and will need to be controlled like any other wildgame.
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    I thought elk were nearly gone from Yellowstone.

    Just read an article in Fur-Fish & Game on this subject that I believe was in the Jan 09 issue. Will reread.

    The anits were livid. Accused hunters/trappers of "skinning wolves alive", if you can imagine.

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    not unless they died since march
    Elk (Cervus elaphus) are the most abundant large mammal found in Yellowstone; paleontological evidence confirms their continuous presence for at least 1,000 years. Yellowstone National Park was established in 1872, when market hunting of all large grazing animals was rampant. Not until after 1886, when the U.S. Army was called in to protect the park and wildlife slaughter was brought under control, did the large animals increase in number.

    More than 30,000 elk from 7-8 different herds summer in Yellowstone and approximately 15,000 to 22,000 winter in the park. The subspecies of elk that lives here are found from Arizona to northern Canada along the Rocky Mountain chain; other species of elk were historically distributed from coast to coast, but disappeared from the eastern United States in the early 1800s. Some other subspecies of elk still occupy coastal regions of California, Washington, and Oregon. Elk are the second largest member of the deer family (moose are larger). Adult males, or bulls, range upwards of 700 pounds while females, or cows, average 500-525 pounds. Their coats are reddish brown with heavy, darker-colored manes and a distinct yellowish rump patch.

    http://www.nps.gov/yell/naturescience/elk.htm

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    crazy g i agree with ya what chafes me is someone peddling "questionable info" to further their cause. i liken groups that do it to that movie "reefer madness". the bs ultimately works against em

    in this case i think the cattle folks are trying to protect their government range and that might be a legitimate concern


    "The carrying capacity of the northern winter range increased in the 1980s because elk colonized new winter range in and north of the park, wet summers resulted in better plant production, winters were mild, and the fires of 1988 opened forests allowing more ground cover to grow. Since 1985, more than 11,000 acres of elk winter range have been purchased by the State of Montana and the U.S. Forest Service north of the park, increasing elk carrying capacity and reducing conflicts between native wildlife and agriculture."

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    To hell with cattle, one way or another.

    Elk numbers have plummetted here since wolves were brought here from Canada (and wiped out the indigenous wolves) in this interesting exercise in PC "biology" experiments.

    Increased carrying capacity, my ass. (I have a degree in population bio, so yes, I do know what it means.)

    This is a conflict between those who see the world as a combination of resources to be used (including aesthetic resources, BTW -- there's nothing about this viewpoint that implies destructive misuse), and those who see "nature" as a museum, with humans as vandals and nothing else.

    Years ago, we saw wolves as nothing but destructive monsters (see Grimm's Fairy Tales for cultural context). This was ignorant -- but now we simply have the pendulum swinging all the way in the other direction.

    Let's hope for de-listing. At this point, I can't legally shoot a wolf that's killing my dog in the field. Talk about encouraging 3-S attitudes...
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    Mine aren't "common", they were edjumacated!
    Here's the female pup actually watching a Wolf documentary on the Discovery Channel...

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    Game and predator animals in a state are state property. The federal idiots need to be told to take a hike. If they want to raise wolves, let them fence them in on federal land, any that escape to be potential problems on state land require at the very least the three S solution. It works here in Oregon just fine.
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    Game and predator animals in a state are state property. The federal idiots need to be told to take a hike. If they want to raise wolves, let them fence them in on federal land, any that escape to be potential problems on state land require at the very least the three S solution. It works here in Oregon just fine.
    Seems reasonable, I think a few ranchers would get a bit PO'd about being told to stop grazing on federal land tho?

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