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    Montana self defense bill - Update!

    Sender: Gary Marbut-MSSA <mssa@mtssa.org>
    Subject: Important - Public hearing on Self Defense bill this Thursday
    Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 17:19:25 -0700
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    Dear MSSA Friends,

    MSSA's Self Defense bill, HB 228, has been assigned to the House Judiciary Committee and the public hearing on the bill has been set for next Thursday, January 22nd. The House Judiciary Committee meets in Room 137, on the ground floor of the Capitol, at 8 AM.

    A list of committee members is available here:
    http://www.leg.mt.gov/css/House/house%20committees.asp

    It is imperative that we impress committee members with how many Montanans want this bill to pass. Please circulate this email to all your gun-owning friends.

    The most impressive thing you can do is to show up in Helena for the public hearing. If you can, that would be super. Be sure to review the material about how to appear before a committee at:
    http://progunleaders.org/Legislative...s/hearing.html

    If you cannot be there, you and ALL your friends must send messages to all committee members the day before the hearing. Ask members to please support HB 228. There's information about how to contact legislators at:
    http://progunleaders.org/Legislative%20Process/

    Our Montana-made guns bill, HB 246, will be up for public hearing the same day, so please either send a separate message for HB 246, or include HB 246 in your request for legislator support.

    If you need a refresher to communicate with legislators, my explanation of HB 228 is here:
    http://progunleaders.org/Self-defense/

    You can read HB 246 here
    http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2009/billhtml/HB0246.htm

    Thanks loads for your help. Only by working together can we get the good bills passed!

    Gary Marbut, president
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    Dear MSSA Friends,

    Here is a corrected URL for HB 228:
    http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2009/billhtml/HB0228.htm

    Gary Marbut, president
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    Dear MSSA Friends,

    I have just updated the MSSA Web page about how bills work in the Legislature, how to locate or track bills, and how to contact legislators.

    It is VERY IMPORTANT that you be familiar with this information. You can read and bookmark this information at:
    http://www.progunleaders.org/Legislative%20Process/

    Time to get geared up!

    Best wishes,

    Gary Marbut, president
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    Dear MSSA Friends,

    MSSA's Self Defense has been introduced by Representative Krayton Kerns and now has been assigned a bill number - House Bill 228 or HB 228.

    You may read the bill at:
    http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2009/lchtml/LC0672.htm

    This bill has been assigned to the House Judiciary Committee. A list of committee members is at:
    http://www.leg.mt.gov/css/House/house%20committees.asp

    My section-by-section explanation of what HB 228 will accomplish is posted at:
    http://progunleaders.org/Self-defense/

    I'll let you know by email as soon as HB 228 is assigned a date for a public hearing before the House Judiciary Committee.

    When this public hearing happens, it will be CRITICAL for you to express your support for the bill - either travel to Helena to speak at the public hearing (House Judiciary meets at 8AM, Monday through Friday) or contact Representatives on the Committee to ask them to approve HB 228.

    Gary Marbut, president
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    Update~~~

    http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread...=1#post5073627

    In the legal section. Update.

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    Montana people - please help if you can. Thank you!

    Sender: Gary Marbut-MSSA <mssa@mtssa.org>
    Subject: Report - HB 246 and HB 228
    Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 21:59:19 -0700
    To: mssa@mtssa.org

    Dear MSSA Friends,

    I've been so swamped with folks calling to ask about the hearing Thursday morning that I haven't had time to write a report of the hearing.

    On Thursday beginning at 9 AM, we had public hearings before the House Judiciary Committee on HB 246, our Montana-made guns bill, and on HB 228, our flagship Self Defense bill.

    There were as many as 30 of our “gunnies” present to support our bills. There were also a flock of uniformed police officers present to oppose – more about that later.

    Sponsor Rep. Joel Boniek (R-Livingston) was called first to present HB 246. Joel made a good presentation. I spoke in support of the bill and read into the record a significant list of other organizations also supporting. A number of the other gunnies present also stepped to the microphone and announced their support.

    After proponents were finished, the Committee chairman called for opponents. Nobody came to the microphone. There was no opposition at all to HB 246, always a good sign!

    Then sponsor Rep. Krayton Kerns (R-Billings) presented HB 228, also a good presentation. Again I spoke for the bill and read a list of other supporting organizations. Brian Judy, the State Liaison for the NRA went next, voicing the NRA's support for the bill. He was followed by Lee Bruner, an attorney from Butte, who spoke briefly about the legal issues associated with Section 1(5). Then others on our side came to the microphone and gave their particular reasons for supporting HB 228. Only one proponent spoke about issues not related to the bill, and at some length – too long for the amount of time available. Three of our people mentioned concerns about law enforcement officers being present in uniform and on duty to oppose the bill.

    One interesting thing occurred. We had asked our people to show early to get seats in the room, which they did. Early in proponents testimony House security announced that the room was filled beyond fire code capacity and told all the LEOs standing that they would have to wait outside in the hallway. Most of them then left the room.

    When the hearing switched from proponents to opponents, the Committee chairman asked if some proponents present would be willing to go outside to the hallway to make room for the police to come in. Some did.

    Before opponents were allowed to speak in opposition there was some discussion about the propriety of LEOs testifying while on duty or in uniform. Committee member Rep. Deb Kottel (D-Great Falls) pointed out a state law that makes it illegal for uniformed police officers to address legislative bodies. As a result of this, most of the LEOs present did not speak against HB 228. However, uniformed officer Slaughter from the Great Falls PD and Chief Muir from the Missoula PD both spoke.

    The lead opponent to HB 228 was Dennis Paxinos, County Attorney of Yellowstone County. Sheriffs from Gallatin and Choteau counties also spoke against the bill.

    I felt that proponents did a good job of supporting the bill. Opponents appeared to me to be less effective.

    You can listen to the audio recording of these hearings if you wish. Go to:
    http://www.leg.mt.gov/css/Committees...hamber=House#9

    Select the file for the House Judiciary Committee on January 22nd.

    Bill sponsor Rep. Kerns did agree during his presentation of HB 228 to submit amendments to drop Sections 6 and 9 from the bill. This was a tactical decision, with which Brian Judy and I had grudgingly agreed in advance, to eliminate the two sections that were drawing the most opposition.

    Section 9 is about employers and employees and guns in the workplace, something many business interests opposed including the Montana Chamber of Commerce. After Rep. Kerns announced dropping Section 9, several lobbyists for business interests did go to the microphone during proponents testimony to declare that they had no remaining problems with the bill.

    Brian Judy and I had discussed with sponsor Rep. Kerns our concern that if we agreed in the hearing to drop Section 6 (when police can seize firearms and for how long), then police would just refocus their opposition on remaining parts of the bill. Unlike the lobbyists for business interests with Section 9, our prediction about police and Section 6 turned out to be correct. Police made no mention of their approval of dropping Section 6 and just concentrated opposition on other parts of the bill.

    What's next? Sometime in the next week or so the Judiciary Committee will schedule "executive action" on these bills. During "exec" committee members will discuss the bills, offer amendments, and vote to pass or not pass the bills.

    More messages! Because Committee action on these bills is pending, now is the time when it would be good to get more messages to House Judiciary Committee members asking them to support the bills, especially HB 228. Keep your messages very short - these legislators are really busy. But keep the messages going in to them, and ask all your friends to send messages too.

    I'll paste below the list of entities that have authorized me to say that they support these two bills. If your local gun club is not on this list, try to get a club official to send me an email authorizing me to add the club to the list.

    Gary Marbut, president
    Montana Shooting Sports Association
    http://www.mtssa.org
    author, Gun Laws of Montana
    http://www.mtpublish.com

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    Entities supporting HB 246 and HB 228 - no local clubs from Billings, Bozeman, Great Falls, Helena, Butte or Kalispell

    Montana Shooting Sports Association
    Gun Owners of America
    Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms
    Weapons Collectors Society of Montana
    Montana Rifle and Pistol Association
    Montana Women's Shooting Association
    Western Montana Fish and Game Association
    Big Sky Practical Shooting Club
    Custer Rod and Gun Club
    Big Muddy Practical Shooting Association
    Richland County Sportsmens Club
    Bigfork Gun Club
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    Opponents!

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    There were as many as 30 of our “gunnies” present to support our bills. There were also a flock of uniformed police officers present to oppose – more about that later.



    One interesting thing occurred. We had asked our people to show early to get seats in the room, which they did. Early in proponents testimony House security announced that the room was filled beyond fire code capacity and told all the LEOs standing that they would have to wait outside in the hallway. Most of them then left the room.

    When the hearing switched from proponents to opponents, the Committee chairman asked if some proponents present would be willing to go outside to the hallway to make room for the police to come in. Some did.

    Before opponents were allowed to speak in opposition there was some discussion about the propriety of LEOs testifying while on duty or in uniform. Committee member Rep. Deb Kottel (D-Great Falls) pointed out a state law that makes it illegal for uniformed police officers to address legislative bodies. As a result of this, most of the LEOs present did not speak against HB 228. However, uniformed officer Slaughter from the Great Falls PD and Chief Muir from the Missoula PD both spoke.

    The lead opponent to HB 228 was Dennis Paxinos, County Attorney of Yellowstone County. Sheriffs from Gallatin and Choteau counties also spoke against the bill.
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    Entities supporting HB 246 and HB 228 - no local clubs from Billings, Bozeman, Great Falls, Helena, Butte or Kalispell

    Montana Shooting Sports Association
    Gun Owners of America
    Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms
    Weapons Collectors Society of Montana
    Montana Rifle and Pistol Association
    Montana Women's Shooting Association
    Western Montana Fish and Game Association
    Big Sky Practical Shooting Club
    Custer Rod and Gun Club
    Big Muddy Practical Shooting Association
    Richland County Sportsmens Club
    Bigfork Gun Club

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    EDIT - I misread something for the supporters. Apologies.
    Last edited by Catherine; January 26th, 2009 at 07:14 AM. Reason: I misread something for the supporters.
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    Gary Marbut-MSSA <mssa@mtssa.org>
    Subject: Flash - Judiciary to act on HB 228 in 15 minutes
    Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:04:16 -0700
    To: mssa@mtssa.org

    For any of you hovering by your computers, the House Judiciary Committee is live on streaming audio at:
    http://leg.mt.gov/css/audio/audio_broadcast.asp

    At 9:15 AM (today - Friday), the Committee will begin taking "executive action" on two bills, one of which is HB 228, our Self Defense bill. In "exec" the members of the committee will debate the provisions of the bill, offer and vote on amendments, and vote to pass or kill the bill.

    If you miss this live stream, the audio archive of this session of the Committee should be posted on the Legislature's Website within 24 hours.

    Gary Marbut, president
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    Gary Marbut-MSSA <mssa@mtssa.org>
    Subject: Action time - HB 228
    Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:47:09 -0700
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    Dear MSSA Friends,

    It's action time with HB 228, MSSA's flagship Self Defense bill. Let me first give you a report on where we are with the bill. Further down in this email I'll tell you about the CRITICAL HELP we need from you.

    Report. The House Judiciary Committee took Executive Action ("exec") on HB 228 today. Three entire sections were stripped out of the bill, all for tactically valid reasons (trust me on this - I don't like losing them either). The sections gone are Section 5 (recovery of legal costs in self defense), Section 6 (when and for how long police can seize guns) and Section 9 (employers and employees). Even with these three sections gone, there is still a LOT of meat in the bill and it is VERY worth supporting - worth fighting for.

    There was a hostile amendment offered (by Democrat lawyers on the Committee) to strip Section 1(5) (burden of proof in self defense) from the bill. That attempt failed thanks to Rep. Deb Kottel (D-Great Falls). We've also been drawing a lot of political lightening over Section 3, defensive display of a firearm. Section 3, among other benefits, would affirm that open carry is legal in Montana, an issue about which Montana law is currently silent. In an effort to reduce some of the problems police administrators have with HB 228, Deb Kottel (still our hero) offered an amendment that was approved by the Committee.

    There's just one problem, Deb's amendment, though well-intended, caused some serious problems with Section 3 and how it would be implemented. We are working now to get this problem fixed when HB 228 comes up for Second Reading on the House floor, probably on Tuesday. BTW, all Democrats except Deb Kottel on the Judiciary Committee voted AGAINST HB 228. All the Republicans and Deb voted FOR the bill.

    To get HB 228 passed by the House and to get Section 3 fixed, we need to build political heat and momentum for HB 228. That's where you come in.

    Action item 1: One Democrat on the Committee who voted against HB 228 is Rep. Bob Ebinger (D- Livingston). Bob is elected from a pretty "gunny" district. I doubt that his constituents would be pleased to learn that he's voting anti-gun. And, I suspect Bob may be somewhat responsive to public pressure.

    So, we need to deliver a LOT of messages to Bob challenging his opposition to HB 228. You can email Rep. Ebinger at: buffalojump@imt.net

    Please send Rep. Ebinger an email. DO NOT threaten him! DO NOT use bad language! No name calling. Scold him, cajole him, rebuke him or persuade him as you like. Also, if you know ANYBODY in Park County, please get them to contact Ebinger too, and to spread this word in Park County. Anyone without email can call the legislative message center at 444-4800 and leave a message for Ebinger. The messages should be short, such as "Why the heck are you voting against a self defense bill supported by every national gun rights organization, and by every statewide gun group in Montana? Who do you work for anyway?" Besides alerting all your friends, you can both send Ebinger an email message AND send him a message through the legislative message center (not working on Sunday). Let's make Ebinger feel the heat. He's our poster boy for the moment.

    Action item 2: It's now time for you to begin contacting your House members, your Representatives (not Senators yet). Be nice!

    If you don't know who your Representative is, you can find out from:
    http://nris.mt.gov/gis/legislat/2009/

    If you live near a district boundary and can't figure out which of two districts you live in, send to any who are close. Heck, you can send to every member of the House if you like.
    Emails addresses for all legislators who have email addresses are available from:
    http://www.leg.mt.gov/css/Sessions/6...0&SessionID=94

    The message to all legislators should be some variation of "Please support HB 228. Oppose any amendments not made by Rep. Kerns (the sponsor) or Rep. Kottel." Plus, you might wish to explain that although some think the HB 228 is opposed by all cops, it's actually only opposed by police administrators, not rank and file street cops. And you might remind legislators that police, even administrators, are our employees, not our bosses. You might even care to invite them to review my expose' on Public Safety V. Private Safety at:
    http://www.progunleaders.org/safety

    You may invite legislators to review my explanation of HB 228 at:
    http://progunleaders.org/Self-defense/

    Feel free to be very firm. "We want this bill to pass!" is not too strong.

    We REALLY need a big push, right now. We need a strong showing from the House, because we will have an additional fight when HB 228 gets to the Senate. The better the vote in the House, the less the fight in the Senate.

    HB 228 will probably be on the House floor for Second Reading on Tuesday. This is probably the most critical vote for the bill. NOW is the time to put the pressure on.

    Thanks loads for your help! Every single message sent to Helena helps!!

    Gary Marbut, president
    Montana Shooting Sports Association
    http://www.mtssa.org
    author, Gun Laws of Montana
    http://www.mtpublish.com
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    From the NRA via MSSA~~~

    Gary Marbut-MSSA <mssa@mtssa.org>
    Subject: Montana Self-Defense Legislation Moving to the House Floor!
    Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 15:54:53 -0700
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    From the NRA -



    Montana Self-Defense Legislation Moving to the House Floor!
    Please Contact Your State Representative Immediately!



    On Friday, January 30, the House Judiciary Committee passed out House Bill 228, important self-defense legislation, on a 10-8 vote. Unfortunately, three provisions of the bill were deleted before it moved out of committee. It is critical that Montana NRA members and law-abiding gun owners contact their State Representatives to voice support for the bill with no further amendments.

    House Bill 228, sponsored by State Representative Krayton Kerns (R-58), is a broad piece of legislation that provides a number of specific protections for law-abiding citizens. The provisions of HB 228 clarify and expand the fundamental right of self-defense and protect law abiding citizens from undue prosecution should they ever have to exercise the right. HB 228, as amended by the House Judiciary Committee, still does the following:

    · Clarifies the ability of law-abiding citizens to carry a firearm in plain view and to display the firearm for harmless defensive purposes;

    · Allows a person who can lawfully possess a firearm and who doesn't use it to commit a criminal offense to carry it concealed anywhere in the state without first obtaining governmental permission;

    · Prevents landlords and hotel operators from restricting law-abiding citizens' self-defense rights;

    · Clarifies in statute the existing legal precedent that there is no duty to retreat from a threat before exercising the right to self-defense and allows a law-abiding citizen to use reasonable force in exercising the existing law that gives a private person the authority to arrest an offender;

    · Ensures that self-defense claims are adequately considered during incident investigations; and,

    · Shifts to the state, if self-defense is asserted by a defendant in a criminal case, the burden of proving an absence of justification.


    Amended out of HB 228 in the House Judiciary Committee were three provisions to limit employers' ability to restrict employee possession of firearms on the job, to protect law-abiding citizens against seizure of their firearms absent an arrest and to provide reasonable attorney fees to a person who is accused of an offense and who is found to have acted in self-defense.

    For a section-by-section analysis of HB 228 to help you better understand and communicate with legislators, please visit http://progunleaders.org/Self-defense/. Note that sections 5, 6 and 9 of the bill, as discussed in this analysis, were the three removed in committee.

    It is very likely that HB 228 will come up on the House Floor in the next two days. Please send an email to your State Representative TODAY and follow-up with a phone message tomorrow morning. Respectfully urge them to support and protect your right to self-defense by voting for HB 228. Please call (406) 444-4800 to leave a message for your legislators. You may also use the "online message form" located at here.


    If you don't know who your legislator is click here.


    Once you identify your legislator, you can find email contact information by clicking on his or her name at the following alphabetical listing of legislators:

    http://leg.mt.gov/css/Sessions/61st/...0&SessionID=94 .
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    Sender: Gary Marbut-MSSA <mssa@mtssa.org>
    Subject: HB 228 not today
    Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 08:23:21 -0700
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    Dear MSSA Friends,

    It has been determined by House leadership that HB 228 will not be on Second Reading today, or maybe even this week. It is unknown why this delay has imposed.

    My best guess - and it's only a guess - is that your volume of messages to legislators asking for support of HB 228 has been so effective that bill opponents asked for time for the effect of that crush of messages on legislators to wear off - and, maybe to give opposition supporters time to spool up with opposition messages to legislators.

    Stay tuned. As soon as we know when HB 228 will be on the House floor for Second Reading (possibly early next week) I'll let you know and we will do a new round of messages to legislators.

    Thanks loads for your help!

    Best wishes,

    Gary Marbut, president
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    http://www.mtssa.org
    author, Gun Laws of Montana
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    Sender: Gary Marbut-MSSA <mssa@mtssa.org>
    Subject: Update re HB 228
    Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 20:01:47 -0700
    To: mssa@mtssa.org

    Dear MSSA Friends,

    It's now looking as if HB 228 will come up for Second Reading on the House floor on Thursday, February 5th.

    I recommend more messages to legislators. This time, with the exception mentioned below, I HIGHLY recommend the VERY short, and kinder/gentler approach. I recommend you send emails to however many of the 100 Representatives in the House you like. I recommend a Subject line of "Thank you for supporting HB 228." Then, I recommend one sentence in the body of the email, something like, "I appreciate your support because lots of gun owners I know would really like to see HB 228 pass." Get these out, if you can, tonight and tomorrow.

    Here's the exception: Eight members of the House Judiciary Committee have already cast a vote against HB 228. Those eight are -

    "Arlene Becker" <Arlene_becker@bresnan.net>
    "Anders Blewett" <Anders.blewett@gmail.com>
    "Robyn Driscoll" <Rdriscoll@peoplepc.com>
    "Bob Ebinger" <Buffalojump@ycsi.net>
    "Margie MacDonald" <Macmargaret@gmail.com>
    "Edith McClafferty" <Gc1311@aol.com>
    "Mike Menahan" <Mikemenahan@yahoo.com>
    "Diane Sands" <Hdsands@aol.com>

    You might care to send a bit more assertive message to these eight. Remember, no threats, no name-calling and no bad language. Beyond that, be persuasive and inventive. (I think it's clearly beyond good taste to say, for example, "May you one day be compromised in a sinking boat, while your mother runs along the shore, barking, but to no avail.")

    If we keep up the pressure, we can get HB 228 out of the House. Send messages by email with an email address from this page, by Online message form, or by calling the message center at 444-4800.

    Thanks loads for your continued help.

    Best wishes,

    Gary Marbut, president
    Montana Shooting Sports Association
    http://www.mtssa.org
    author, Gun Laws of Montana
    http://www.mtpublish.com

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    Last edited by Catherine; February 4th, 2009 at 12:27 AM. Reason: I added the area code on the bottom of this post.
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    Montana people - please help!

    Snippet from above.

    These are the ANTI HB 228 voters...


    "Here's the exception: Eight members of the House Judiciary Committee have already cast a vote against HB 228. Those eight are -

    "Arlene Becker" <Arlene_becker@bresnan.net>
    "Anders Blewett" <Anders.blewett@gmail.com>
    "Robyn Driscoll" <Rdriscoll@peoplepc.com>
    "Bob Ebinger" <Buffalojump@ycsi.net>
    "Margie MacDonald" <Macmargaret@gmail.com>
    "Edith McClafferty" <Gc1311@aol.com>
    "Mike Menahan" <Mikemenahan@yahoo.com>
    "Diane Sands" <Hdsands@aol.com>

    You might care to send a bit more assertive message to these eight. Remember, no threats, no name-calling and no bad language. Beyond that, be persuasive and inventive. (I think it's clearly beyond good taste to say, for example, "May you one day be compromised in a sinking boat, while your mother runs along the shore, barking, but to no avail.")

    If we keep up the pressure, we can get HB 228 out of the House. Send messages by email with an email address from this page, by Online message form, or by calling the message center at 406- 444-4800."

    ~~~~~


    Please help. Thank you!

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    Top Cops Attack HB 228 - Self Defense Bill

    Sender: Gary Marbut-MSSA <mssa@mtssa.org>
    Subject: Top cops attack HB 228
    Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:13:14 -0700
    To: mssa@mtssa.org

    Dear MSSA Friends,

    Please excuse the frequent emailings about HB 228. We are REALLY in a political fight now over HB 228, MSSA's flagship Self Defense bill.

    The Montana Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association and the Montana County Attorneys Association have launched an all-out attack on HB 228, spreading some considerable lies about the bill in two hit pieces they are emailing to legislators.

    I have responded to the details of those hit pieces, and have posted those pieces and my comments at:
    http://www.progunleaders.org/Legis09...POAattack.html

    Some legislators are regurgitating the "facts" spread by MSPOA and MCAA as if they were actually the truth. If you are communicating with legislators, you may need to be armed with the comment I've offered. Please have a look at it. Use this information as you need.

    But please, keep up the emails and comments to legislators in support of HB 228. The most critical vote on HB 228 will occur Monday afternoon during Second Reading on the House floor (session begins at 1 PM and has audio live stream from the Legislature's Website).

    Finally, the bill to "Clarify and specify role of Home Guard" has finally been introduced as HB 429. My explanation of the bill is HERE . More about this later.

    Thanks loads for your continued help with HB 228!!!!!!!!

    Gary Marbut, president
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    http://www.mtssa.org
    author, Gun Laws of Montana
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    Sender: Gary Marbut-MSSA <mssa@mtssa.org>
    Subject: Action needed on HB 228 again please
    Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:47:37 -0700
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    Dear MSSA Friends,

    HB 228, MSSA's flagship Self Defense bill, WILL be up for Second Reading on the House floor next Monday, 2/9. The recent NRA alert about this is pasted below and contains all essential information.

    Please send short, polite emails to any or all House members asking them for or thanking them for their support of HB 228.

    One friendly amendment will be offered to cure a problem with Section 3 of the bill, a fix needed because of a poorly-conceived amendment to Section 3 put on by the House Judiciary Committee. This helpful amendment will be offered on Second Reading by Rep. David Howard (R-Columbus). No other amendments to HB 228 should be supported.

    One legislator, Rep. Jesse O'Hara (R-Great Falls) is making noises about opposing HB 228. Jesse says he's listening to his good friend Jack Allen who works for the Great Falls Police Department.

    Side note. Jack Allen was a Republican candidate for the Legislature, running against our star Rep. Deb Kottel (D-Great Falls). Jack made it known in Great Falls that he opposed MSSA's Self Defense bill, although he declined to complete MSSA's Candidate Questionnaire. MSSA endorsed Kottel because of her previous stalwart support of our Self Defense bill (HB 340 in 2007) and because of Jack Allen's declared opposition to the bill. Guess what? Deb Kottel won that race by a significant margin (55%-45%), in some large part because of her endorsement by MSSA and the NRA.

    So, it's fair to say that Jack Allen lost his run for HD 20 because of his position on the Self Defense bill, and Rep. Jesse O'Hara now seems to want to base his position on HB 228 according to the advice he is getting from Jack Allen!

    You may discuss this with Rep. O'Hara by sending him an email at Jesse59404@yahoo.com

    Remember, don't be rude - no name-calling. But that doesn't mean you should not be firm. Will O'Hara base his position on listening to his cop buddy, or on what he hears from citizens?

    If you are from the Great Falls area, be sure to mention that to O'Hara, and tell all your Great Falls buddies to contact him too. If your buddies don't have email, they can leave a message for O'Hara by calling the Legislative Message Center at 444-4800.

    Gary Marbut, president
    Montana Shooting Sports Association
    http://www.mtssa.org
    author, Gun Laws of Montana
    http://www.mtpublish.com

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    Montana Self-Defense Legislation to be
    Considered on Monday, February 9!
    Please Contact Your State Representative Immediately!


    The full House will consider House Bill 228 on Monday, February 9. It is critical that Montana NRA members and law-abiding gun owners contact their State Representatives to voice their support for the bill with no further amendments.

    House Bill 228, sponsored by State Representative Krayton Kerns (R-58), is a broad piece of legislation that provides a number of specific protections for law-abiding citizens. The provisions of HB 228 clarify and expand the fundamental right of self-defense and protect law abiding citizens from undue prosecution should they ever have to exercise the right. HB 228, as amended by the House Judiciary Committee, still does the following:

    * Clarifies the ability of law-abiding citizens to carry a firearm in plain view and to display the firearm for harmless defensive purposes;
    * Allows a person who can lawfully possess a firearm and who doesn't use it to commit a criminal offense to carry it concealed anywhere in the state without first obtaining governmental permission;
    * Prevents landlords and hotel operators from restricting law-abiding citizens' self-defense rights;
    * Clarifies in statute the existing legal precedent that there is no duty to retreat from a threat before exercising the right to self-defense and allows a law-abiding citizen to use reasonable force in exercising the existing law that gives a private person the authority to arrest an offender;
    * Ensures that self-defense claims are adequately considered during incident investigations; and,
    * Shifts to the state, if self-defense is asserted by a defendant in a criminal case, the burden of proving an absence of justification.


    For a section-by-section analysis of HB 228 to help you better understand and communicate with legislators, please visit http://progunleaders.org/Self-defense/.

    Please contact your State Representative TODAY and respectfully urge them to support HB 228. Please call (406) 444-4800 to leave a message for your legislators. You may also use the "online message form" located at here. When contacting your State Representative, it is important that you be as respectful and courteous as possible. Long, rude, or disrespectful messages are counterproductive.

    If you don't know who your legislator is, please click here.

    Once you identify your legislator, you can find email contact information by clicking on his or her name at the following alphabetical listing of legislators: http://leg.mt.gov/css/Sessions/61st/...0&SessionID=94 .
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    Sender: Gary Marbut-MSSA <mssa@mtssa.org>
    Subject: Dangerous Gun Bill Up for a Vote. Take Action Now!
    Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 14:27:43 -0700
    To: mssa@mtssa.org

    Dear MSSA Friends,

    "Dangerous Gun Bill Up for a Vote. Take Action Now!" is what the Montana "Human Rights" Network says about our Self Defense bill, HB 228!

    Read the email below that the MHRN just sent to its members.

    This is why you need to be proactive getting messages to legislators about HB 228, including SPECIAL THANKS (short!) to Rep Deb Kottel (Dkottel@ugf.edu) for her stalwart and ongoing support!

    Here are key Democrat women in the House who ESPECIALLY need to hear thanks and requests for support FROM OTHER WOMEN!


    Frosty Calf Boss Ribs -

    Frostycbr@hotmail.com

    Margarett Campbell -

    Mcampbellhd31@yahoo.com

    Julie French -

    Julfrench71@yahoo.com

    Carolyn Pease-Lopez -

    Clopezzz@wildblue.net

    Cheryl Steenson -

    Casteenson@gmail.com

    Thanks loads for keeping after this!!

    Gary Marbut, president
    Montana Shooting Sports Association
    http://www.mtssa.org
    author, Gun Laws of Montana
    http://www.mtpublish.com
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    HB 228 Threatens Public Safety!

    We need to stop it in the House of Representatives!

    Please take action now!


    Rep. Krayton Kerns (R-Laurel) has introduced House Bill (HB) 228, and it will be on the floor of the House as early as Monday, Feb. 9th, for a full vote. The Human Rights Network opposes this legislation, because it threatens public safety. Read the bill here.

    We need you to contact your State Representative now! The message is simple:

    "Don't put the gun lobby ahead of public safety. This bill is dangerous and unnecessary. Vote 'no' on HB 228." Please read on for additional talking points.

    Rep. Deb Kottel (D-Great Falls) was the only Democrat to vote for the bill in committee. No matter where in the state you live, we need you to contact Rep. Kottel as well as your own representative.

    Contact your State Representative and Rep. Kottel now using an online form by clicking here. You can also leave them a message by calling 406-444-4800. If you need help finding your legislator click here.

    Proponents of HB 228 state that it is about citizen self-defense, but Montana law is already clear on self-defense. Current law defines the legitimate use of lethal force. This bill would change the law so that the use of lethal force can be a person's first option instead of their last resort.

    The bill would allow anyone "who is lawfully in a place or location" to shoot to kill if they feel "threatened with bodily injury." It leaves it up to the shooter to decide at home, on the street, in the supermarket, etc., when to use lethal force. The shooter gets to be judge, jury and, sometimes, executioner.

    Law Enforcement strongly opposes HB 228.

    The Montana Coalition Against Domestic and Sexual Violence strongly opposes HB 228.

    We have reasonable restrictions on the use of lethal force in order to, among other things, prevent personal disputes from erupting into wild west type shoot-outs where irreversible harm, including death, is likely to occur. Scroll down for more information on HB 228. Contact your State Representative and Rep. Kottel now.

    Thank you for your continued support!

    Kim Abbott
    Organizer

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    Gee, a GUN in the hands of a VICTIM towards a BAD GUY could prevent aka STOP domestic, NON domestic and sexual VIOLENCE lady!

    Give me a freaking break - pul______leeze!

    Catherine
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    Montana Territory
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    Human Rights? My butt, lady! See above post.

    Montana people - please help! Thank you.


    Gee, a GUN in the hands of a VICTIM towards a BAD GUY could prevent aka STOP domestic, NON domestic and sexual VIOLENCE lady!

    Give me a freaking break - pul______leeze!

    Catherine
    Armed and Female
    Montana Territory
    Last edited by Catherine; February 7th, 2009 at 10:22 PM. Reason: Typos
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    My mother said a long time ago..."women should have never been allowed to be in politics." I think she was right.

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