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    New Jersey Anti-Gunner Sides With Us (In a Way at Least He's Trying!)

    This man at least has done some serious thinking about gun rights.Something Gov.Corzine and Mr. Miller are incapable of doing.

    http://blog.nj.com/njv_george_berkin...n_control.html

    Gun Control
    Posted by George Berkin
    February 13,2009


    I do not own any guns. I do not like guns. I am afraid of guns, even in the right hands. I even think that some people take this Second Amendment stuff too far. Just to make myself real clear, I am not a "gun nut."

    But sometimes, I've got to agree with the "pro-gun" crowd.

    This comes to mind in the wake of last week's news that Gov. Jon Corzine has signed yet another gun-control law.

    In this latest piece of legislation, lawmakers stiffened the penalties for unlawful possession of prohibited assault rifles or machine guns. Violators could get up to 10 years behind bars.

    The new law was welcomed by the executive director of Ceasefire NJ, a gun control group (or see You Tube here), who said such weapons have no legitimate purpose.

    "They're meant to kill as many people as possible," said Bryan Miller "They endanger all of us in the state of New Jersey."

    In one sense, there's a lot of reason to what he said. Hunting? It hardly seems fair to cut down Bambi or another white-tailed wonder with a bazooka.

    But still, I'm somewhat troubled by this, yet another law controlling weapons, for several reasons.

    First, the law assumes that it is the mere presence of weapons that causes crime. Toughen the laws against illegal gun possession, and that will reduce the number of weapons on the street, which will in turn reduce the incidence of crime. Or so the theory goes.

    The "story line," as it were, has the added advantage that it has clearly defined villains: machine guns and assault weapons.

    But the story line is too easy.

    Now, truth be told, a certain amount of gun control is warranted. There should be waiting periods, required training, and careful checks on who buys handguns. All these impress upon law-abiding citizens the responsibilities involved in owning firearms.

    But let's take the case of an assault weapon. The new law assumes that, say, 10 years in prison as opposed to less time will stop a determined gang member from getting his hands on the weapon, and then using it.

    Is that true? I don't know.

    But if it's not, then the law is just posturing. It sounds nice, but it really doesn't have any impact on what happens on the street.

    It makes us feel good, and makes legislators seem busy, but it seems a false security.

    It's a little like passing stricter ethics laws, another favorite pastime for New Jersey legislators.

    New ethics laws are feel good laws. So feel good, in fact, that most times when a new ethics law is passed, it gets laudatory coverage from most reporters.

    But does it do anything?

    It's not that public officials don't know that they should not take bribes. Or that they were about to take a bribe but - oops, almost forgot - there's a law against it.

    According to the Star-Ledger article announcing last week's beefed-up gun-control law, New Jersey has the second-toughest weapons control statues in the nation. Only California's laws are stricter. (However, I'm not sure who judges this, or how.)

    But clearly, there is a lot of crime in Newark, Camden and other New Jersey cities. I'm not convinced of a correlation between strict gun control laws and a reduction of urban crime.

    What bothers me is that that this gun control legislation, it seems, substitutes tougher laws for a recognition of what causes crime - fallen human beings, the wicked human heart.

    From a biblical perspective, evangelicals believe man's fallen state - more than circumstances - causes anti-social and criminal actions.

    And of course, you can't legislate people into better attitudes toward their fellow man.

    But I guess what I'm asking for a little humility on the part of legislators, a little recognition that it is human beings that are causing crime, not simply the absence of laws against high-powered of weapons.

    Maybe even something as simple as a statement to that effect.

    We've all heard the cliche, popular among the "pro-gun" crowd, that "guns don't kill people, people kill people."

    Sure, it's little overdramatic, and has the ring of a slogan. Perhaps, but there's a kernel of truth in it.

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    Holy crap, someone actually used common sense and logic in that article! Now if only we could get the other 99% of the population (including your average reporter) to see the light too.

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    Wow - good for him! Now, someone needs to volunteer to take him out to the range and see if they can get him over his fear of guns.

    Interesting read.

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    "I don't drink alcohol, and never plan too, but maybe this ban on Demon Rum proposed by Carrie Nation may do more harm than good."

    Why does everyone skeptical of a prohibition law have fall all over themselves saying "I hate guns (demon rum, reefer madness, smut magazines, comic books, etc etc) as much as the next guy." May be "this symbolic voodoo criminology has never worked" ought to be message enough.
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    I do not own any guns. I do not like guns. I am afraid of guns, even in the right hands.
    Another socialist wimp heard from.
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    Listen, this guy is obviously asking the right questions and thinking critically. Even if he isn't exactly on our side, he very well could be, in time. Rather than blasting him here, lets create an account on NJVoices and congratulate him for publicly taking a step in the right direction.

    This is the type of guy who could soon be one of us, if we encourage him. Calling him a wimp doesn't do one lick of good for RKBA.
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    Standingwolf

    For someone to sit down and look at their fears and prejudices, critically analyze them and provide a coherent rebuttal of them is a hell of a lot more difficult and praiseworthy than putting a kneejerk label on them.
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    I applaud him for beginning to think logically, but I think Standing Wolf has a point - the article blatantly compares a semi-automatic rifle to a bazooka.

    Really?

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    For the most part, this is a very good article. His stressing that he hates guns, and is afraid of guns, while rather ludicrous to most of us, strengthens his point that the anti-gun laws really do no good. His stated hatred of guns removes the criticism that the article is just the rantings of another "gun nut."
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    At least he's made the connection that it makes no sense to pass more laws to control the behavior of people who don't obey laws.

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    For someone to sit down and look at their fears and prejudices, critically analyze them and provide a coherent rebuttal of them is a hell of a lot more difficult and praiseworthy than putting a kneejerk label on them.
    By the time one's old enough to pose as a "journalist," one's supposed to be able to set aside one's fears and prejudices long enough to do research and write intelligible articles.

    The term "socialist wimp" isn't a knee jerk label: it's a simple, and I'm sorry to say, all too apt and frequently needed description. The vast majority of people who masquerade as "journalists" have never fired guns in their lives.
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    "By the time one's old enough to pose as a "journalist," one's supposed to be able to set aside one's fears and prejudices long enough to do research and write intelligible articles."

    Try to keep in mind here we're talking about NEW JERSEY!!
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    Try to keep in mind here we're talking about NEW JERSEY!!
    [sincerity] Heaven forbid one of the more corrupt leftist extremist states be held to the same standards as the rest. [/sincerity]
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    Did you ever try to lead Bambi with a bazooka? Blast radius is your friend.

    I think all the knee-jerk hyperbolists should modernise their references from "bazooka" to "SRAW", as in: "who needs a SRAW to shoot fuzzy, baby, Harp seal pups?"

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