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    Dick's Sporting Goods: Bad Experience

    I just want to relay a terrible experience I had at Dick’s Sporting Goods a couple months ago.

    Dick’s had their Remington UMC 9mm on sale, so I went in to purchase some. The first time I went there, they were out of stock, so I asked for a rain check (in Michigan, stores are generally required by law to provide rain checks on advertised items). The clerk told me that, “Dick’s doesn’t give out rain checks on ammunition.” Being formerly in retail myself, I know that there is a law in place requiring them, and told him so. I also told him that there was even a case where one company was taken to task by the state’s Attorney General’s office for just such a matter. The clerk responded by stating, “Dick’s doesn’t care, they’re so big they’ll just ignore the AG.”

    I didn’t argue with the guy and went home to do some research. I called the AG’s office, and asked told them my understanding of the law, and asked if I was correct. I was told that if there were quantity limits (such as “5 per store”), then they didn’t have to give rain checks. I double checked the ad, and saw no such limits. I then asked if there were any exceptions for ammunition, for which I was told no. They then asked me which store I was having problems with, and what had happened. After I told them that Dick’s wouldn’t give a rain check for ammunition, the AG person told me to file a complaint on line. I thanked the person, and hung up.

    Before filing the complaint, I wanted to be sure that the advertisement didn’t say anything about the issue, and also give Dick’s a chance to rectify the issue, so I went back again. This time, when I asked for a rain check, I was also told “no”. I then asked to speak with a manager who told me the same thing. I told here that it was state law, and she replied that it was Dick’s policy. At this point, I was satisfied that they would not give me a rain check, so I ceased pursuing the issue on that matter, and instead asked if she (the manager) could tell me if the add mentioned anything about this policy of theirs. She looked only part way through the add before telling me that she didn’t know. I then asked her if she could find someone who did know if it was stated in the add. She again told me that it was Dick’s policy and that I could call corporate about it, to which I replied that I understood that, but that I really wasn’t concerned since I would just let the AG’s office deal with that matter, “I just wanted to know if it said so in the add”. She started to appear as if she thought I was upset (don’t know why, since I was very calm and friendly), so I reassured her that I was not upset or angry, but just wanted to know if the add stated this policy. (If she, or anyone else had been able to show me such policy within the add, then it would have been a dead issue for me, since I felt that it would have provided an exception to the law. This was the main reason I’d returned, but also wanted to give them an opportunity to make right while I was there). Her response to this was that there was a District manager there, and she would ask him if I would like. I said yes, and she went to ask.

    When she returned, she told me that, “My District Manager is in a conference call, so he can’t come talk to you, but he said there is no such law, and that we aren’t to give rain checks.” When she said that part about him saying that such a law didn’t exist, I couldn’t help but laugh, and then said that, “well, that’s fine, but did you ask him where it says the policy in the add?” (I hadn’t even asked her to inquire about rain checks, but had asked her to inquire about if it was in the add.) She then said that he hadn’t commented on that, so I requested that she find out (all I wanted to know was if I had missed something in the add when I’d read it the few times I had. Some of that print is pretty small.) So, she went back again, and this time, the District Manager himself came out.

    Before he even got to me, he started yelling at me in a very confrontational and rude tone, “SIR, IT’S COMPANY POLICT TO NOT GIVE RAINCHECKS ON AMMUNITION. HAVE A NICE DAY!” I responded (calmly) by saying, “you don’t have to give me an attitude, I understand Dick’s policy, I just want to know if it’s in the add.” (By this time, other customers in the areas had started to turn and watch). He then yelled (in the same abusive manner), “HAVE A NICE DAY SIR!”, and started walking away. I then asked, “Well, can you tell me if it says so in the add?”, and he again Yelled, “HAVE A NICE DAY!” without even bothering to stop and face me when he spoke to me. I then asked for corporate’s number to which he replied (over his shoulder as he was walking away), “She wrote it down for you. (He did this while briefly pointing at the counter as he was walking away from me)”. I replied, “Thank you, that was totally uncalled for.”

    This whole time, when dealing with these people, I was completely calm, and tried to be as inoffensive as possible. I had no reason to get upset as I knew that the AG would take care of the matter, had I not gotten satisfaction. I even told the female manager this, so this behavior by him was completely out of line.


    I did call Dick’s corporate office to complain. However, it wasn’t to complain about their rain check policy. I knew that the AG’s office would handle that, but the ordeal required a complaint lodged against the manager’s ridiculous behavior. After I relayed the ordeal to the company representative on the phone, the response was, “We’re sorry about that sir. I assure you it will be turned over to the investigative team (not really sure about the terminology she used) for review.” I was stunned. “You mean a customer calls you with a report of how he was wrongly treated by your manager, and that’s all you’ve got to say?” We went back and forth a few minutes longer, as she kept trying to tell me about Dick’s policy on rain checks for ammunition, to which I also told here that she could explain it to the AG’s reps. I even expressed dismay that she didn’t even ask for a call back number to contact me by. She responded by saying that she had it on her caller ID. I then told her to not use that number, as it was my cell phone, and I usually don’t answer it. I told her that she should make sure that my cell phone number doesn’t get into their notes, and to instead enter my home phone number (which I then gave her). After that, she continued to go on about “Dick’s policy”, and I finally realized that the initial clerk was correct. They really don’t care.

    That was just before the holidays IIRC, and then, last Thursday I get a call on my cell phone. I do have someone on the other side of the state that calls me on that phone, and thinking it was they, I answered. I was quite surprised to discover that it was someone from the Dick’s corporate office asking about my “problems with getting a rain check.” Of course I had never called Dick’s corporate office with a complaint about rain checks, so I thought there must be some confusion, and told her that it wasn’t about rain checks, but the manager that I had a problem with. (Remember, I’d told the initial CS rep to not keep my cell phone number, but to instead use my home phone number). When the woman who had called me sounded confused, I asked for clarification on why she was calling. Turns out she was calling me to tell me that the ammunition that I had a rain check on was waiting for me at the store all week. She said that she had tried to call on Monday, but was unable to contact me (no wonder, since she was calling a number that she wasn’t even supposed to have). I told her that the reason she couldn’t contact me was because she was calling the wrong number, to which she stated that it was the only number she had.

    By now, I’d realized that the reason for the call had nothing to do with the encounter with their rude manager, and told her that my confusion arouse out of the fact that I had never contacted Dick’s corporate about rain check’s, but rather about the manager’s poor behavior. She didn’t seem to know anything about that, and while apologizing, stated that the ammunition would be there for me until the following Monday (today). When I asked her about the problem with the manager, she responded by telling me that that issue had been “resolved”. (She must have looked it up).

    I then told her that while I appreciated her efforts to get me the ammo (probably because they had the AG breathing down their neck) that I really didn’t care to go into a Dick’s Sporting Goods again. I told here that, “While I can’t say that I’ll never go into a Dick’s again, I can say that if I ever do, then it will be as a last resort”. She responded by saying that the ammo would be there for the next four or five days, and to give me her contact number if I had any other questions. Thanks.

    I hope someone else comes along to give them competition. They often have some good deals, but their service completely lacks. I was even took a friend in there several months ago to look at shotguns, and the same clerk who told me “Dick’s doesn’t care”, told my friend essentially that Mossbergs were worthless for HD. Like I said, I hope someone else comes along.
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    About 3-4 months ago Dicks had 12 gauge ammo on sale, either rifled slugs or 00 buck, $3.99/box plus a $3.00/box rebate for a net $0.99/box.

    They were out and I had no problem getting a rain check. Weird.

    Of course, Remington still has to send me the rebate.

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    Apples and Oranges

    Several decades ago, when I took driver education in high school, we were cautioned not to be "dead right." In other words, even if we were to have the legal right of way, if we were to see that another driver did not intend to yield, the wiser choice would be to yield to him, rather than to get involved in a collision.

    Michigan may have a rain-check statute but it's unlikely that the legislators who passed it envisioned today's market conditions for ammunition. I'm not familiar with Dick's but it strikes me that making them a test case could discourage them from continuing to sell ammunition.

    Clearly, Dick's has some ignorant and rude employees. Similarly, they would do well to familiarize themselves with applicable laws and to include the requisite disclaimers in their ads [sic]. Your decision to take your business elsewhere is understandable. I guess the issue for you is whether you wish to force the other Dick's customers to compete with you for currently limited supplies of ammo at the stores you prefer to patronize. My understanding is that the ammunition manufacturers are currently allocating ammunition to ensure that each vendor gets some. I would think that if Dick's continues to get their allocation, it will take reduce the demand at some of the other vendors you may now prefer.

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    In my experience, Dick's is appropriately named.

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    I was in Dicks today, I hate them but they have selection so I was trapped. They had 40grain American Eagle .22lrs for 4.99/50rnds 2x the price of the local gun shop. They have a few deals but are worthless on customer service.
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    I went to Dick's one time for an ammo sale. They have no handguns.
    They are now building a new Dicks about a mile from me. I'll check them out but I have a Sportsmans Warehouse,Gander Mtn,Bass pro Shop and several gun stores within 5 miles of my house.
    I doubt if Dick's will be getting much of my business and after reading this they may get less

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    Only went to Dick's once. Staff was very nice. Didn't see any sales, just shopped. I'll definately take this into consideration the next time I go there. The first one I've ever seen (and the 2nd) was in NoVa. Is it a regional chain like Big 5 in the west or is it nation wide?
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    I went to Dicks last month...first time there and last time too.They had no ammo at a decent price...and when I asked about the sale the clerk said...'Dude...who cares'?Come back another time...'

    Waste of my time.

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    There are 3 Walmarts that sell guns, ammo and reloading supplies within 20 miles of me, as well as at least 10 gun stores within 30 miles of me.

    I bought a treestand and some broadheads at Dick's last year and a Kershaw knife for my son at Christmastime, but I gave up on their gun stuff awhile ago. The employees are courteous and seem to know what they're talking about, but their prices, even sale prices, never really impressed me.
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    I've said it before, I'll say it again.

    Dick Stack must be spinning in his grave. He was a good friend of my Grandfather's, a hell of a nice guy, and genuinely loved the outdoor sports and hunting (and especially fishing).

    His son Eddy seems to be all about the money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeSpectre
    I've said it before, I'll say it again.

    Dick Stack must be spinning in his grave. He was a good friend of my Grandfather's, a hell of a nice guy, and genuinely loved the outdoor sports and hunting (and especially fishing).

    His son Eddy seems to be all about the money.
    Sad.

    Sounds a lot like Wal Mart.
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    I live in Michigan. I often shop at the two Dick's in the Lansing area - Okemos (Meridian Mall) and Eastwood. I find the "lodge" people at Okemos generally pleasant and helpful. Some of them are actually shooters! The people at Eastwood are much more hit and miss. Anyway, I got a raincheck on UMC ammo two days after the election, and was finally able to use it a week ago. Great price. Was told at the time (a week ago) that I wouldn't see 9mm ammo there again at less than $12/box, case price. So, it will be all Walmart, mail order and reloading for me from now on.

    If they have some store policy against rainchecks, that's new. But it doesn't matter because state law trumps store policy, as you clearly know and apparently clearly told them.

    Slightly off topic, but I feel like all the major retailers are starting to treat gun owners like pariahs. Walmart's ammo counters at any Walmart in the Lansing area are never staffed - it often takes me, no joke, 10 to 15 minutes to get service at one, often walking halfway across the store to find someone who will page another person to the ammo counter. I have zero loyalty to Walmart, but for the time being their prices are hard to beat.

    I would prefer to shop at local, friendlier stores, but the ammo prices at Gander Mountain and most locally owned gunshops are laugh out loud funny. I could only go shooting twice a year if I had buy through any of those.
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    I'ver never had a problem with Dicks. I shop their regularly for different kinds of merchandise and will continue to do so. Employees have always been very helpful. It still amazes me that they honored the Coach's coupon over and over again last year.

    As I recall, their ammo ads said something like "while supplies last". I have never tried to get a rain check on ammo. The only ammo I bought there were the Federal 22LR shells which they have not had in stock since early last fall.

    Sorry for your bad experience.

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    I would prefer to shop at local, friendlier stores, but the ammo prices at Gander Mountain and most locally owned gunshops are laugh out loud funny. I could only go shooting twice a year if I had buy through any of those.
    I have a feeling there may come a day when we are happy to have them.
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    I'ver never had a problem with Dicks. I shop their regularly for different kinds of merchandise and will continue to do so. Employees have always been very helpful. It still amazes me that they honored the Coach's coupon over and over again last year.

    As I recall, their ammo ads said something like "while supplies last". I have never tried to get a rain check on ammo. The only ammo I bought there were the Federal 22LR shells which they have not had in stock since early last fall.

    Sorry for your bad experience.
    Thanks,

    I don't think there is such a disclaimer in their add. If there was, it wouldn't have been an issue, and they wouldn't have had to provide a rain check. I looked for just such a disclaimer, and asked them to show me such a disclaimer (in case I missed it).
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    well it looks like i wont even think about going to a dick's. I buy all my ammo from wally world. I do agree. They all have some sorry service. Here is what they should require for the gun section. 1. Moderate firearm knowlege.
    2. One person on ammo duty at all sale times.
    3. Actual shooters for employees.
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    In my experience, Dick's is appropriately named.
    Yep, you were warned if you walk in there, giant warning sign over the door of every one of their stores.

    Save up and buy by the case online from someone that needs shooters to keep them in business.
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    I have found most of the big discount stores has but one person that is worth a darn (or had) and the rest prove how much of an idiot they are through there BS or lack of customer service. I have a local farm type store that sells firearms and ammo for a little more than the big chains, but I get a LOT better service. And if they don't know something, they say so, and try to get me an answer. I do get a little bs from one of them once in awhile, nothing to bad. I think he just likes to hear himself sometimes. Other that that he still gives great customer service. And I am willing to pay a little more for it too.

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    I've gotten rain checks for ammo a couple of times from then without a problem.

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    Interesting but I never shop where the store is a Dick.
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    This is a sad story. I am sorry they were so rude to you. That was uncalled for.

    What a silly law. Hopefully it was created for some good purpose other than trying to control another aspect of our lives by "requiring" someone to potentially take a loss on the sale of a product b/c they made the mistake of not "limiting the number of available units".

    Why is it that the OP feels entitled to a rain check?

    If this was a locally owned hardware store (small, privately owned business) that made a mistake on their flyer, would you sick the "AG" on them, too?

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    Thats why I never go to Dick's for anything. They are way too overpriced IMHO.
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    Dicks' prices are not any higher than the other retail sporting goods stores (Bass Pro, Cabelas, Sportsmans Warehouse, Gander Mt, etc.). I find them to be actually cheaper, but not on ammo.

    But it still pays to shop around a bit for the higher priced items, just in case.

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    Why is it that the OP feels entitled to a rain check?

    If this was a locally owned hardware store (small, privately owned business) that made a mistake on their flyer, would you sick the "AG" on them, too?
    There was no mistake on the flyer. The OP's state has a law that a rain check be given unless the sale is stipulated to be limited to a certain amount per customer. In absence of that law you have false advertising where the store has 20 cases on hand, sells out in one hour but for the next week customers come in looking for that deal. Finding the ammo is gone they buy something else. Effectively a soft sell bait and switch.
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    There was no mistake on the flyer. The OP's state has a law that a rain check be given unless the sale is stipulated to be limited to a certain amount per customer. In absence of that law you have false advertising where the store has 20 cases on hand, sells out in one hour but for the next week customers come in looking for that deal. Finding the ammo is gone they buy something else. Effectively a soft sell bait and switch.
    Some people don't see anything wrong with this.

    I do. So have others. Enough so that it's been against the law in Michigan for a long time.
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