What gun for Chimpanzee?

**Rush** · February 17th, 2009, 02:10 PM

Conklin told reporters the chimp was acting so agitated earlier that afternoon that Herold gave him the anti-anxiety drug Xanax in some tea.

!!!!!!!!

Is this Xanax a veterinary prescription? If so, then owner/vet KNEW this animal was a problem. If owner was giving him HER xanax then she really is a huge idiot. Either way, owner 100% liable and negligent imho.

Friend guilty of contributing stupidity by coming over to "help" corral the guy. But I don't go so far as to say she got what she deserved. This should be a friendship ender for sure.

Gun? I vote 12g shotgun with #4 buckshot.

**elChupacabra!** · February 17th, 2009, 02:11 PM

#4 buckshot

I'm a big fan of #4 as I live in an apartment and at least want to TRY to minimize penetration...

but this sounds like a job for 00 3-inch Magnum 15 pellet, to me.

**Dave P** · February 17th, 2009, 02:11 PM

Dammit folks they are not domesticated , i dont care how they were raised , the mauling of the canine breeds are hidden in the fog of history and breeding . a chimp , or a tiger , or whatever you desire does not have that

I don't mean to be a chump, but what does that mean???

**Rush** · February 17th, 2009, 02:13 PM

I'm a big fan of #4 as I live in an apartment and at least want to TRY to minimize penetration...

but this sounds like a job for 00 3-inch Magnum 15 pellet, to me.

I'll go along with that.

**Rush** · February 17th, 2009, 02:15 PM

Dammit folks they are not domesticated , i dont care how they were raised , the mauling of the canine breeds are hidden in the fog of history and breeding . a chimp , or a tiger , or whatever you desire does not have that

I don't mean to be a chump, but what does that mean???

It means that wild animals are still biologically and behaviorally wild, period, and cannot be raised otherwise even from birth; they're too close genetically to the wild. Yet one more result of a culture that thinks we can ignore inborn traits and change behavior by suitable environment.

**bowl443** · February 17th, 2009, 02:20 PM

Chimps are nasty animals; extremely strong and unpredictable. People who fall for Hollywood's anthropomorphization of them as cuddly and cute are in for a surprise.

Any primates should not be kept as pets. When they turn they go for hands/feet, neck, crotch. Important body parts for any of us.

When kept for pets, it usually causes severe psychological problems for the animal, which usually turns to violence. They should be kept with their own kind.

A sad story for both the victim and the chimp.

**redneckrepairs** · February 17th, 2009, 02:48 PM

Dave P

" Dammit folks they are not domesticated , i dont care how they were raised , the mauling of the canine breeds are hidden in the fog of history and breeding . a chimp , or a tiger , or whatever you desire does not have that "

It simply means that canines have had thousands of years ( and thousands of generations ) to breed out the undesirable ( to us humans ) traits , and as a whole its successful . Chimps , tigers , ocelots , snakes , ect.. have not had that , and as such remain with a wild animal core that is frankly unsafe . Some of the " fighting breeds " of the canine ( American bull terrier comes to mind ) have been vilified for the same natural aggression triggered when some humans trespass in instincts . My point is that if you dont take the time to understand such an animal then dont own it . In the case of the " exotics " few of us have time to understand them , not only the research , but watching the personality develop and catering to the personality . Animals ( all of them ) are amoral . This simply means they have no morals , because they cannot understand morals , they understand rules that are enforced to a varying degree ( depending on both the consistency of enforcement and the method used to enforce ) . I still wear scars from the raptors i nursed as a kid , they did not mean to hurt me , they meant to defend themselves . I have scars from cattle ( no kidding ) who did not mean to hurt me , but were afraid and doing what nature told them to . I have broken bones from horses , should i go on ?? . The point is that many animals simply are not " pets " no matter what . Many owners of such animals refuse to recognize this simple fact . a 200 lb chimp is more dangerous than a 1200 lb bull because the chimp can appear cute where the bull simply appears powerful . As a rancher , maby my point is lost on you as i am not real good with words, but take it to heart , take an exotic pet at danger . Even a prairie dog can and will cut you to the bone given surprise much less provocation .

**elChupacabra!** · February 17th, 2009, 02:56 PM

I still wear scars from the raptors i nursed as a kid

Well there's your problem - you should have watched "Jurassic Park." That would have cleared that misunderstanding RIGHT up!

j/k

**macadore** · February 17th, 2009, 04:08 PM

This is one of the many reasons I prefer Koi.

**Mr White** · February 17th, 2009, 05:24 PM

I agree with Jeff Corwin, who was interviewed this morning. He stated that people have no business making a pet from a great ape

He was no great ape. He was a pretty damned horrible ape if you ask me! Now that Mighty Joe Young, he was a great ape!

But really, it wasn't all the chimp's fault. I hear he started running around with a bad crowd and was shooting meth all day prior to the attack. And his sexual exploits were pretty loose too. I hear he was a real swinger.

**redneckrepairs** · February 17th, 2009, 06:02 PM

elChupacabra! well the folk who thought raptors had any effect on huntable small game made the vote known . Raptors simply do not have an effect on a healty hunting population . some folk consider shooting a rapter as protecting a game species . I refuse to arguethis point , I will just say that on my land you shoot a raptor and you are banned for life . Yes they eat hell out of immature quail , or rabits , that is ok , after all i suffer the hunters , and have to tolerate the wildlife . You may not shoot a fox on my land , but kill all the yotes you can see . you may shooot both phesant and quail , but you can only " bust "
a covy once . what flys off is safe .

**rondog** · February 17th, 2009, 06:05 PM

***extra extra*** trunk monkey goes bananas!!!

**elChupacabra!** · February 17th, 2009, 06:17 PM

redneckrepairs...

It was a joke? Like Velociraptors, in the movie "Jurassic Park?" The dinosaurs? Play on words?

**Big Daddy Grim** · February 17th, 2009, 07:32 PM

Some interesting replies here have to watch this thread. I would go with my .357 and some Hornandy Lever revolution rounds.

**230RN** · February 17th, 2009, 08:10 PM

Police said that Travis was agitated earlier Monday and that Herold had given him the anti-anxiety drug Xanax in some tea. Police said the drug had not been prescribed for the 14-year-old chimp.

^ I think maybe she just hung herself, unless that information was given to the police by the victim.

I wonder if this is yet one more example of how one should not talk until one has a lawyer present.

I sure feel bad for the victim. I hope she recovers psychologically from the life-changing injuries.

Terry, 230RN

**HANDLOADER** · February 17th, 2009, 08:26 PM

The one animal I have not taken. Yet.

If put in the situation I chose my favorite deer slayer. A Ruger Black Hawk 357 mag with my peped up handloads. I shot it the chest and it is all over. It dose the same thing to deer and varmits in kentucky during the proper seasons.

**HOME DEPOT GEORGE** · February 17th, 2009, 08:34 PM

454 casull for the nasty filthy little b*stards. They should be left in the wild as no good can come from having one of the little turd throwers for a pet.

**N1150X** · February 17th, 2009, 08:45 PM

It means that wild animals are still biologically and behaviorally wild, period, and cannot be raised otherwise even from birth; they're too close genetically to the wild. Yet one more result of a culture that thinks we can ignore inborn traits and change behavior by suitable environment.

I must agree

to answer the OP 308 would be my go to round for ape

**rockinrussky** · February 17th, 2009, 10:12 PM

Its been a while since I've seen the original Planet of the Apes... what did Heston use? Personally, I'll stick with .45, as a smaller caliber may not put it down before it rips my trigger finger off

**kd7nqb** · February 17th, 2009, 10:18 PM

If while walking through the streets of Portland I ever encounter a chimp on a killing spree I would feel confident that my M&P .40 with Hornaday TAP will do the job however if its more of an organized duel and I get to choose my gun then I would definitely bring the Mosin M44 because well, there is little question that it would do the job just fine and while there are millions of Mosins I assure you VERY few have taken a chimp.

As to the likely hood of encountering a violent chimp in the City of Portland, I really do think its more likely than most would believe since we are the city that prides itself on being unique. Of course the crappy thing is that I would be then mauled by the 30 or 40 militant animal rights nuts who are bound to hear the gun shot and convict me on the spot.

**PDXCarbine** · February 17th, 2009, 11:15 PM

If I saw a chimp on a rampage here. I would let him keep Portland Wierd like they always say here and go about my business.

**Nagant** · February 17th, 2009, 11:18 PM

I'd say whichever of my CC handguns I could unload into the beast's head/chest before he got ahold of me and tore me asunder...

**LawBot5000** · February 17th, 2009, 11:22 PM

Chimps are disgusting and extremely dangerous creatures. They have marginal utility as lab animals but are otherwise nothing but a hazard. They're most likely the original source of HIV. (ie, SIV jumped species when someone killed and ate a chimp for bush meat).

People who try to treat wild animals as pets deserve what they get. That being said, it seems that the chimps end up brutally attacking people other than their owners a lot of the time. I'd have no problem banning them from ownership or even hunting them into extinction in the wild. There's probably a good reason our species killed off all the other near-hominids.

If we need chimps as lab animals, why not breed the viciousness out of them like we did with norway rats? The albino lab rats are nearly blind and many are probably mildly retarded by rat standards.

**Treo** · February 18th, 2009, 12:29 AM

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Chimps are disgusting and extremely dangerous creatures.

And this would be based on what experience please? I worked with Chimps ( Gorrillas, Orangatauns Baboons and some of the lesser monkeys as well) for 3 years. they are animals no worse or better than any other non-domesticated animal. They can be taught to use language ( as in a real recognized language such as ASL) and once taught the language they are able to conceive and express complex abstract thoughts, jokes and emotions ( Google KoKo the ASL gorilla)

They are not suitable for pets but they certainly are not some "menace to society" that needs to be errradicated.

**deaconkharma** · February 18th, 2009, 07:27 AM

she said "I stabbed him and it made him worse, bring guns"

...and another one realizes the need for guns, only to find that when needed, the government hath since taken away. To add, their special class citizens are minutes away when its the seconds that count...

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