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    Alan Keyes Rips Obamanation

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6b4_1235260822

    Also an interesting article on this topic:

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/election/588

    Court Won't Hear Obama Citizenship Case — but May Soon | Print |
    Written by Kurt Williamsen
    Wednesday, 10 December 2008 00:50
    On Monday, December 8, the Supreme Court unsurprisingly decided not to hear a case by retired lawyer Leo Donofrio claiming that Obama is not eligible to be president because Obama had dual nationality at birth, so he wasn't a natural born citizen as required under the Constitution to be president. The dismissal should have come as no surprise to anyone — not because, as major-media mouthpieces trumpet, that the case has no merit — because it was clearly evident that Donofrio would either be viewed by the court to not be a plaintiff in good standing or his claim would be found without merit because any child born in the United States, as Donofrio's case assumes to be true for Obama, is considered a natural born citizen — as millions of illegal immigrants who have had children in the United States can attest.

    This case was doomed from the beginning because the Supreme Court was sure to agree with multiple findings by lower courts that an average citizen cannot contest a president's eligibility to be president; only those people who are legally "injured" by a presidential aspirant's candidacy — either monetarily, physically, or reputation-wise — may sue. The fact that such findings by the lower courts are absurd because the U.S. Constitution is a contract between the government and the people and contract law stipulates that any party to a contract has the right to enforce a contract was not going to be a reason for the Supreme Court to hear arguments in the Donofrio case.

    Neither was the fact that the Constitution itself declares that the only issue to be determined by a federal court for a case to proceed is the case's constitutionality — not a plaintiff's standing — going to stop the Supreme Court from throwing out this case. (For an analysis of the constitutionally correct application of law in this case, see the article by constitutional law scholar Edwin Vieira, entitled "Obama Must Stand Up Now Or Step Down.")

    Similar to Donofrio's case, a case by lifelong Democrat Philip Berg that is pending before the Supreme Court is likely to face a quick death for lack of standing, though Berg is arguing that Obama was not born in the United States and, even if he was born here, his mother evidently renounced Obama's citizenship when she moved to Indonesia. During the four years Obama was enrolled in school in Indonesia, enrollment required both citizenship and a renunciation of citizenship in other countries.

    At the present time, only one case about Obama's citizenship has a better than a one-in-a-million chance of making headway (only slightly better, in my opinion, because judges regularly find "legal justification" for ignoring the law, even the Constitution). That is the case filed by Alan Keyes, a 2008 presidential candidate for the American Independent Party, and Markham Robinson, a California elector. These men definitely have legal standing to sue. And despite protests to the contrary by many, good reason to sue.

    The best reason to sue is to uphold the Constitution as the law of the land; the second-best reason is because Obama is hiding something. One doesn't, as Obama has reputedly done, hire three law firms to keep one's birth records and college records sealed unless one has something to hide. (It is speculated that Obama's college records will show that he applied for aid to foreign students.) Like I've said in another article on this topic, I have had on several occasions been required by employers to furnish original birth certificates and college records before they would hire me. To most people, such a request is simply no big deal. There's something wrong here.

    Many in the major media, and even some moderately conservative news organs such as NewsMax, have verbally skewered lawsuits to verify Obama's citizenship, claiming that they know Obama is a U.S. citizen because Obama has posted his birth certificate online, an announcement of Obama's birth was in a Hawaiian newspaper, and members of Hawaii's health department have stated that Obama has an original birth certificate on file there. To say the least, I want these guys as my investigators if I ever pull a criminal caper. In truth, Obama did not post a birth certificate online, but a certificate of live birth (a document that would not even meet the standards of the average geneology society as proof of citizenship); the birth announcement merely said that the Obama's had a son (no hospital or place of birth was listed); and in Hawaii, parents of children residing in Hawaii may submit alternate birth documentation to the Department of Health and still be deemed to have "an original birth certificate."

    But besides the lawsuits, there are other ways that Obama's impending swearing-in as president could be upset. First, on December 15, state electors will convene to vote for president (Obama is really not the president-elect yet; he has a couple of steps to go), and if the electors are swamped with voter demands to verify Obama's eligibility as president, they may withhold their electoral ballots until Obama proves he is a citizen. And on January 6, Congress must meet to certify the counts of the states' electoral ballots. At that time, any senator or congressman may challenge the ballots for a good reason. If that happens, the Constitution compels Congress to get to the truth underlying the complaint. Again a letter-writing campaign to Congressman could end in an investigation of Obama's citizenship.

    But at least in the short run, Obama's supporters probably will prevail, even though Obama's actions stink with suspicion and the proof given of his citizenship is not proof at all. They will succeed because politicians tend to either be spineless followers or unapologetic dealmakers — at both the state and federal levels (although a writing campaign to constitutional bulldog Congressman Ron Paul (R-Texas) could yield a positive result), and it is unlikely that congressmen, even if there is a congressional objection, will exert due diligence toward finding out the truth of the matter as they are constitutionally bound to do.

    But in the long run, the chances that a federal court will demand that Hawaii allow a forensic inspection of Obama's birth records are better than one might assume. Edwin Vieira explains: "Assume, however, that no inquiry, or only a perfunctory inquiry, or only an obviously tainted inquiry takes place at the stage of counting the Electors' votes. Is the issue then forever foreclosed? Not at all. For a extensive class of litigants who absolutely do have 'standing' to challenge Obama's eligibility will come into existence, and demand relief as a matter of undeniable constitutional right and practical necessity, as soon as Obama's Department of Justice attempts to enforce through criminal prosecutions some of the controversial legislation that the new Congress will enact and Obama will sign — such as statutes aimed at stripping common Americans of the firearms to which (in Obama's derisive terminology) they 'cling.'" So as soon as Obama signs a bill into law that has a negative effect on an American, that American will have standing to sue Obama to find out whether Obama actually has the power to sign the bill. Things could get interesting.

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    Whoa - this could become very interesting.
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    I don't see it happening. It is also a non-issue as Obama is a US citizen. I would argue that this is just a chance for an anti-Obama supporter to stir some trouble.

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    It is also a non-issue as Obama is a US citizen.
    I think that is the question that the article raises.
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    Right or wrong, it won't go anywhere. They won't let it. ('They' being the fed government overall.)

    Right or wrong, there's too much at stake in this nation for the executive branch to get mired down in this, and he's already been elected anyay.

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    1st: These United States are not a nation, but rather a union of nations.

    2nd: Isn't that how the republican form of government was lost, a total lack of respect for the law?
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    Alan Keyes has proven he cannot get elected dog catcher. I dont care how articulate he is or how much I agree with what he says. He is irrelevant.

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    He could be a viable candidate just like Obama was in Chicago... elected by getting all the others disqualified.

    Personally, I like Alan Keyes. I've followed him a long time and have been to several events where he spoke. He is both articulate, and smart, and well schooled in the American constitution.

    What the press has done, is to give Obama cover for anything and everything. My tact to changing the dialogue is to talk about the new government as the "Obama misadministration" and Obama himself as the new "Commander 'in thief".

    I watched Rush Limbaugh address the Conservative Political Action Committee convention tonight, and he made some brilliant points. The main one is that America can't just lay down and let the Obama people run all over them if they expect to have a country left. Nobody elected Obama to completely restructure the landscape of the American culture and society... and it's time to put the adults back in charge.

    Alan Keyes isn't the kind of man to simply fall down and let Obama and his minions have their way. He'll go down fighting, and if anybody that reads this has any cajones, they'll join him and stand up against this "restructuring". Personally, I don't want to live in a Socialist or communist country... and just because the mantra has been "hope and change", it doesn't mean that America is tired of being America.

    Don't sit back and watch... grow some stones, and get into the fight.

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    Hey, I VOTED for Alan back in the 2000 primary...he is locked out precisely BECAUSE he is a decent guy,a Constituionalist and NOT on the left's plantation.
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    2nd: Isn't that how the republican form of government was lost, a total lack of respect for the law?
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    Would this make Joe Biden president? Or would we have a new election?
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    Biden as President would probably be as entertaining as Jocelyn Elders was as Clintons Surgen General.

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    Red face

    instead of Carter - Roosevelt - wannabe Lincoln

    we would have Fudd - Daffy - wannabe Carter
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    I would guess Obama was born in Hawaii. It doesn't make sense that they'd start covering up when he was a kid. Also, it doesn't make sense that the governor of Hawaii would be in on it, and didn't even get a cabinet position.

    But why didn't Obama just produce the original? My hunch is that either there is something embarrassing on the original birth certificate I don't know if maybe back then Hawaii listed the religion (did any states do that?) then maybe his mother put atheist or Muslim. Or maybe he's using it as a red herring, waiting until he's forced to produce it in a court, then will produce it and start hammering the folks who forced him as conspiracy nuts and tinfoil hat wearers. The closer to the 2010 election, the more they'll want to marginalize the Repubs., look at how they are picking the fight with Rush. They know that Rush, though he has extremely strong appeal to his listeners, has very low appeal even to some mainstream Repubs, so they try to pit him against the party. Similarly, the birth certificate stonewall could be a calculated ploy.

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    I'm no expert on Illinois politics but Mr. Obama was running against Jack Ryan, Jeri Lynn Ryan's husband (and incumbent). When Jack's "tastes" in sex clubs became public, he dropped out of the race, and was hurriedly replaced by Mr. Keyes, who wasn't a resident of Illinois at the time, if I recall correctly.

    So, in essence, the republicans didn't have a viable candidate, and the rest is history.

    The fact that we have a Treasury Secretary at the head of the IRS who couldn't be bothered to pay his rather low taxes under the Bush tax cuts (oh the irony), the fact that there would be no lobbyists in the current administration (except for the really good lobbyists), the fact that 95% of all Americans will receive a tax cut under the current administration (if you don't include an increase in utility and fuel bills due to the need to pay "carbon credits") are good indicators of how likely this issue will result in Mr. Obama being found unable to continue to serve. After all, we need him.

    The Rabbi appears to have hit the nail on the head.

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    I just have to ask ( I am in no way shape or form any type of a racist) how did he even make it to through the election without the Klan getting him? I am sure this probably is not the place to ask since it is afterall the High Road. But sometimes my curiosity can get the better of me. I still think McCain should have won. I am very grateful for his service to OUR country and i will shake the hand of any man (or woman) who has served.
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