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Thread: Do States Have The Right To Secede???

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    Do States Have The Right To Secede???

    My answer is YES
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    Not a simple yes or no answer, if placed before SCOTUS it would have thousands of pages of written words, arguement would be fierce and the outcome would be a "NO" I believe...

    Times have changed and at the same time stayed the same...Armed aggression/defense of the "union" would be the outcome, the state and people would suffer terribly, I have feeling. Texas had some terrible years after the Civil war for their thoughts on it, and action...Decided to stay

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    Regardless how the politicians eventually decide the issue, the question remains: Do States Have the Right to Secede?

    Afterall the X Amendment does state that: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

    As secession was not listed as one of the powers delegated to the Union, it must therefore remain a power reserved by the States.
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    Also would it be lawful to invade a State that has peacefully withdrawn itself from the Union?
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    This is a good read:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession

    This is a tidbit:

    By some theories, the American Revolution was a secession, rather than a revolution.[21][22] Discussions and threats of secession have often surfaced in American politics, but only in the case of the Confederate States of America was secession actually declared. A 2008 Zogby International poll revealed that 22% of Americans believe that "any state or region has the right to peaceably secede and become an independent republic."[23][24]

    So...22% is a far cry from the amount needed now I believe, but a lot more than when the original "revolution or secession" happened back in the late 1700's... Hmm

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    I should hope that the percentage is higher than 22% at the High Road, as I figure those understanding the importance of the 2nd are more likely to understand the importance of the 10th.
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    Well that could be misapplied to thinking those who have the guns make the rules

    Which we all know is the truth

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    Wayne LaPierre just made that very assertion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQz-EKsvt9U

    See minute 8:45
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    Wasn't there a big stink about this about 150 years ago?
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

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    WLP. One of the better humans, on this planet I might add

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    Wasn't there a big stink about this about 150 years ago?
    Your history is pretty good
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    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
    "Who watches the watchmen?"

    Just read the translation on Wikipedia. Nice signature!!!
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    Well, as most court cases are decided on case law and precedence, this question was answered about 150 years ago……so, legally I would say no.
    However, as with anything they have the “right” to try. (And with a few certain States, maybe it would be better to just let them go..)

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    I do not believe that it was ever "legally" settled. Unless you consider compelling one to do your bidding by sticking a gun to their head legal.
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    Burr and Hamilton took care of it, in a fashion some time prior, to the civil war!
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    Yes, Hamilton was all for centralized power, unfortunately the precedent set in the Burr vs Hamilton fight, wasn't respected by Abe Lincoln ...
    Last edited by Eustachius234; March 5th, 2009 at 07:56 AM.
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    A Union is of no real benefit if you are not a member voluntarily by free choice. It more or less negates any meaning to the term "Freedom". And unless the option to leave the Union exists, then you cannot be viewed as a voluntary member - only a subservient entity.
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    Some people still refer to it as "the war of northern aggression."

    Seriously, why should states that have been fiscally responsible bail out California, etc.?

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    Those people who refer to it as "The War of Northern Aggression" are behind on the times and must only look at history through rose colored lenses.

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    If that be the case Oldskoolfan - then this country was FOUNDED on those same "behind on the times" ideas and "rose colored glasses".
    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
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    To the victors go the spoils, and the writing of history books.

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    Hell I'd be more interested in KICKING a few states OUT then having MINE secede
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    If any state is truly out of step with America it is the ones on the coast's. CA should be the first to go IMHO! It is a top producer and is held in contempt by many it seems.


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    Eustachius234: in post #3, you point out that "Secession was not listed as one of the powers delegated to the Union". If it were, what would that mean? That the union could secede from itself? Somehow I am not surprised they didn't bother to specifically list that power.

    In practical terms, things are a lot more interconnected than they were in the 1800s. What would happen to property located in that state when it declared itself a separate country? Things like power lines and pipelines which connect to states on both sides of the one seceding. How about military bases? Would the locals suddenly own the nuclear weapons stationed there? Even simpler things like factories owned by a company headquartered elsewhere or buildings mortgaged to someone in another state? Highways built with federal money?

    An interesting philosophical question, but doing it would be difficult.

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    My answer was "yes", but it is as relevant as the right of the south's belief in it's right to secede in the late 19th century.

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