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    Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:56:42 -0600
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    Dear MSSA Friends,

    Another serious problem has just been created to add to the critical ammo shortage in the U.S. Read my letter to Senator Max Baucus about this below. An agency of the Department of Defense has just directed that all military fired brass must be destroyed.

    I highly recommend that you send emails to U.S. Senators Baucus and Tester, and to Montana's lone Congressman Rehberg, asking them to get immediately onto fixing this.

    FYI, Baucus is Chairman of the powerful Senate Finance Committee. He could simply call the Pentagon and tell them that if they don't reverse this DLA directive that the Pentagon will suffer a mysterious budget cut of several billion dollars. Also, Baucus's former Chief of Staff, Jim Messina, is now Deputy Chief of Staff at the White House. If Max called Jim and asked, Jim could fix this problem with a phone call too.

    I recommend you communicate with the Baucus, Tester and Rehberg staffers who are tasked to firearms issues. They are:

    Baucus - "Heather O'Loughlin" <heather_o'loughlin@baucus.senate.gov>

    Tester - "Lillstrom, Alpha" <Alpha_Lillstrom@tester.senate.gov>

    Rehberg - "Abra Belke" <abra.belke@mail.house.gov>

    Tell them we simply don't accept the military destroying perfectly good brass that could be sold into the civilian market for private and commercial reloading.

    Gary

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    Max,

    Greetings from Missoula.

    You called me on October 24th, 2008, to ask me to let you know if there is ever anything MSSA needs you to do for us and for Montana gun owners.

    Thank you. This is exactly such a case.

    In the email below from the Defense Logistics Agency you will see that DLA has effectively ordered the immediate non-sale and destruction of all once-fired military brass.

    Max, this is a HUGE problem.

    Why is this a problem? The RKBA is only as good as the ammunition supply for the firearms we own. The shelves of the Nation's sporting goods stores are essentially bare of ammunition. The entire ammunition market in the U.S. is highly stressed.

    For example, I have six classes scheduled for April to teach Montana citizens gun safety and self defense with firearms. Students must bring 100 rounds of ammunition to these classes. I thought to check this week about availability of ammunition for my students for these April classes - the most common ammunition in .38 special and 9mm. Of four primary sporting goods stores in Missoula, three had NONE - at all! One store has a limited supply that it doesn't expect to last long.

    Against this background of ammunition shortage, about the only ammunition that continues to be somewhat available is that from second tier manufacturers who are remanufacturing ammunition from once-fired military cartridge brass. As of yesterday, that supply came to an end because of the DLA administrative decision to destroy ("demil") all fired military brass.

    Max, I have a lot more information about the national ammunition shortage, too much to put in one email. It is both a supply and demand problem. Without that lengthy detail, take my word for it that U.S. gun owners are very at-risk for their effective RKBA because of existing ammunition shortages. This administrative decision by DLA places a log on the back of a camel already sagging in the middle.

    We sincerely hope that you can do something to turn DLA around, and reauthorize the flow of once-fired, undestroyed military brass from the military to civilians and civilian entities.

    One final thought. The military can sell reloadable brass for $2.00 per pound. Brass that has been destroyed for reloading purposes and value sells for about 35 cents per pound. So the DLA is expecting taxpayers to pay DoD extra to make reloadable brass unavailable to civilian gun owners.

    Please keep us informed about what can be done and is being done to fix this serious problem.

    Sincerely yours,

    Gary Marbut, president
    Montana Shooting Sports Association
    http://www.mtssa.org
    author, Gun Laws of Montana
    http://www.mtpublish.com




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    Dear Valued Customer:

    Please take a moment to note important changes set forth by the Defense
    Logistics Agency:

    Recently it has been determined that fired munitions of all calibers,
    shapes and sizes have been designated to be Demil code B. As a
    result and in conjunction with DLA's current Demil code B policy, this
    notice will serve as official notification which requires Scrap Venture
    (SV) to implement mutilation as a condition of sale for all sales of
    fired munitions effective immediately. This notice also requires SV
    to immediately cease delivery of any fired munitions that have been
    recently sold or on active term contracts, unless the material has been
    mutilated prior to sale or SV personnel can attest to the mutilation
    after delivery. A certificate of destruction is required in either
    case.

    Thank you,

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    People, please help! This is crazy!

    Thank you.

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    I rec'd the following from JPFO today. Senator Max Baucus's office is "looking into it" I was told by a gentleman there I spoke with.

    Previously functional rifles/handguns were destroyed, now it's fired brass, WHY??

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    The following from JPFO, which might be off-putting to some, could be worth reading anyhow. Being that as it might be, readers might want to think about this, and perhaps voice objections to what looks like a questionable, and WASTEFUL operation. It's your brass, it's your money too.

    March 13th 2009

    Government Destroys Once Fired Brass Cases

    This a selection of email content - presented ''as is''.




    From: KTO
    To: undisclosed-recipients
    Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:31 PM
    Subject: [Fwd: More ammo problems - Action Needed]

    Dear MSSA Friends,

    Another serious problem has just been created to add to the critical ammo shortage in the U.S. Read my letter to Senator Max Baucus about this below. An agency of the Department of Defense has just directed that all military fired brass must be destroyed.

    I highly recommend that you send emails to U.S. Senators Baucus and Tester, and to Montana's lone Congressman Rehberg, asking them to get immediately onto fixing this.

    FYI, Baucus is Chairman of the powerful Senate Finance Committee. He could simply call the Pentagon and tell them that if they don't reverse this DLA directive that the Pentagon will suffer a mysterious budget cut of several billion dollars. Also, Baucus's former Chief of Staff, Jim Messina, is now Deputy Chief of Staff at the White House. If Max called Jim and asked, Jim could fix this problem with a phone call too.

    I recommend you communicate with the Baucus, Tester and Rehberg staffers who are tasked to firearms issues. They are:

    Baucus - "Heather O'Loughlin" heather_o'loughlin@baucus.senate.gov

    Tester - "Lillstrom, Alpha" Alpha_Lillstrom@tester.senate.gov

    Rehberg - "Abra Belke" abra.belke@mail.house.gov

    Tell them we simply don't accept the military destroying perfectly good brass that could be sold into the civilian market for private and commercial reloading.

    Gary

    ========================

    Max,

    Greetings from Missoula.

    You called me on October 24th, 2008, to ask me to let you know if there is ever anything MSSA needs you to do for us and for Montana gun owners.

    Thank you. This is exactly such a case.

    In the email below from the Defense Logistics Agency you will see that DLA has effectively ordered the immediate non-sale and destruction of all once-fired military brass.

    Max, this is a HUGE problem.

    Why is this a problem? The RKBA is only as good as the ammunition supply for the firearms we own. The shelves of the Nation's sporting goods stores are essentially bare of ammunition. The entire ammunition market in the U.S. is highly stressed.

    For example, I have six classes scheduled for April to teach Montana citizens gun safety and self defense with firearms. Students must bring 100 rounds of ammunition to these classes. I thought to check this week about availability of ammunition for my students for these April classes - the most common ammunition in .38 special and 9mm. Of four primary sporting goods stores in Missoula, three had NONE - at all! One store has a limited supply that it doesn't expect to last long.

    Against this background of ammunition shortage, about the only ammunition that continues to be somewhat available is that from second tier manufacturers who are remanufacturing ammunition from once-fired military cartridge brass. As of yesterday, that supply came to an end because of the DLA administrative decision to destroy ("demil") all fired military brass.

    Max, I have a lot more information about the national ammunition shortage, too much to put in one email. It is both a supply and demand problem. Without that lengthy detail, take my word for it that U.S. gun owners are very at-risk for their effective RKBA because of existing ammunition shortages. This administrative decision by DLA places a log on the back of a camel already sagging in the middle.

    We sincerely hope that you can do something to turn DLA around, and reauthorize the flow of once-fired, undestroyed military brass from the military to civilians and civilian entities.

    One final thought. The military can sell reloadable brass for $2.00 per pound. Brass that has been destroyed for reloading purposes and value sells for about 35 cents per pound. So the DLA is expecting taxpayers to pay DoD extra to make reloadable brass unavailable to civilian gun owners.

    Please keep us informed about what can be done and is being done to fix this serious problem.

    Sincerely yours,


    Gary Marbut, president
    Montana Shooting Sports Association
    http://www.mtssa.org
    author, Gun Laws of Montana
    http://www.mtpublish.com






    -----Original Message-----
    From:

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    SurplusNews@govliquidation.com
    Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:34 PM
    To: rlepage@usa.net
    Subject: Important Notice to Scrap Metal Buyers!

    http://www.govliquidation.com

    Dear Valued Customer:

    Please take a moment to note important changes set forth by the Defense Logistics Agency:

    Recently it has been determined that fired munitions of all calibers, shapes and sizes have been designated to be Demil code B. As a result and in conjunction with DLA's current Demil code B policy, this notice will serve as official notification which requires Scrap Venture (SV) to implement mutilation as a condition of sale for all sales of fired munitions effective immediately. This notice also requires SV to immediately cease delivery of any fired munitions that have been recently sold or on active term contracts, unless the material has been mutilated prior to sale or SV personnel can attest to the mutilation after delivery. A certificate of destruction is required in either case.

    Thank you,

    DOD Surplus
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    Scottsdale, AZ 85254

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    Thanks and I remember that story too.

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    The other link here which I just found.

    http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=407484

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    Update

    Sender: Gary Marbut-MSSA <mssa@mtssa.org>
    Subject: Flash - Military brass destruction policy reversed
    Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:15:06 -0600
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    Dear MSSA Friends,

    I just received a phone call from the office of U.S. Senator Tester of Montana to inform me that at 5:15 (EST) today a letter cosigned by Senator Tester (D-MT) and Senator Baucus (D-MT) was faxed to the Department of Defense asking DoD to reverse its new policy requiring destruction of fired military cartridge brass. At 5:30, I am told, Tester's office received a fax back from DoD saying that the brass destruction policy IS reversed.

    Others report to me that they are already seeing evidence of this on the Websites of entities that liquidate surplus DoD commodities.

    Our thanks go out to Senator Tester and Senator Baucus, and their staff, for getting on this problem promptly and making the reversal happen

    Staff for Tester and Baucus promise they will get me the documentation for this reversal tomorrow morning. I'll forward that when I get it.

    Best wishes,

    Gary Marbut, president
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    Mssa

    I posted this in the wrong thread. Apologies to the board.


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    Last edited by Catherine; March 17th, 2009 at 08:37 PM. Reason: Wrong thread.
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    Re the "reversal" mentioned above, nice to see/hear, it now appears that fired brass will NOT be "demilled", rendered unsuitable for reloading, which would appear to validate opposition to the old saw about "not being able to fight city hall".

    Having said that, questions remain, esssentially WHY was this idiotic idea lofted in the first place. Possibly it's purpose was simply to serve as a "trial baloon" for bigger and better transgressions? Who knows, but it strikes me that there is, as usual, that ongoing need to keep one's eyes open, all the time.

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    Policy Rescended


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    Smile

    Thank you for putting David's LINK here and on the other thread.

    Take care.

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    Re the furor over DOD ordered "demilitarization" of fired brass, the rendering of same unfit for reloading, said policy now a thing of the past, at least until this "trial balloon" might be floated against, the 1 April issue of Gun Week, see page 15 contained an article headlined as follows. "Pentagon mishandled surplus weapons. vehicles, report says.

    They are going to Demilitarize, spell that destroy for reloading, fired cartridge cases, while at the same time, they "mishandle and or lost track" of machineguns, and armored vehicles. Strange isn't it?

    I could be wrong here, but it sounds as if the inmates have taken over the institution, a situation that could well be described as less than desirable. Let's destroy those fired cases, and to hell with aircraft parts, weapons and other gear, such items perhaps ending up being used AGAINST our military. We simply cannot give American Citizens access to "cheap" reloadable brass, which they paid for originally. So it is, it seems, with this government Of The People, By The People and For The People, as it was once described.

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