View Poll Results: What is most important to you?

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  • Family

    35 57.38%
  • Ideology

    2 3.28%
  • Individual

    10 16.39%
  • Nation

    0 0%
  • Other (explain)

    3 4.92%
  • Race

    0 0%
  • Religion

    11 18.03%
  • Tribe (ancestral nation, etc.)

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    What is most important?

    What is most important to you and why? Choices are alphabetical.

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    Duh

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    A strange question. Values aren't detached, they're part of a hierarchy. For example, how could one value one's family as a mindless, non-individual drone?

    Of what use is a nation if it serves only to shackle you for the benefit of others?

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    i will go with.....maslow's hierarchy

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    Easy.Family,then ideology.
    But it's close!

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    Family before anything else
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    A little too complex for a one-choice poll.

    However, after thinking a little, I voted for religion. Allow me to explain.

    My religion (doesn't matter to this discussion what flavor it is) teaches me to value my family, informs my ideology, teaches loyalty to friends and nation, even expresses a value on the individual (me), etc. Pretty much everything on the list. All the options are important to me, but if forced to pick one (and I was due to the poll) that would be it.

    After looking at the list again, there are two things not covered by my reasoning above. Race and Tribe. Race: Human. Welcome to the club. Tribe: Heinz. I got 57 varieties running through my veins.
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    i will go with.....maslow's hierarchy
    Maslow, Maslow, Maslow! What about my needs?
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    What about my needs?
    too funny
    Joe--pass go and directly to the top of the pyramid.

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    God, family & home - in that order.
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    I chose individual for the simple reason if you can't love and respect yourself first then you won't be able to selflessly sacrifice and work towards defending your family, your god, your nation, your neighborhood or your friends. No self respect means you don't care about anybody or anything and are only out for yourself.
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    I voted ideology because my ideology involves most of the other choices (not race or tribe)
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    In protecting my family and do what is best for them, I do all the rest. I fight for freedom, for my family etc..
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    Religion is more important than family? See you at the jihad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Grump
    I chose individual for the simple reason if you can't love and respect yourself first then you won't be able to selflessly sacrifice and work towards defending your family, your god, your nation, your neighborhood or your friends. No self respect means you don't care about anybody or anything and are only out for yourself.
    Why would someone with self-respect sacrifice their selves? How is furthering the lives of those you love sacrifice? If you "don't care about anything", how is that looking after your own interests?

    You seem to believe that the choice is between hedonism and self-sacrifice. What about rational self interest, doing what improves your life the most, along with those whom you value?

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    Good question. A hedonist wouldn't begin to think of sacrificing himself for others, that isn't the kind of self love I am talking about.

    The person comfortable in their own skin is the person who will stop in the dark, in the rain and help a scruffy looking roughneck help change his tire in the dark and cold driving rain. A person who loves himself is happy to help the pastor when nobody else shows up, takes groceries out of their own pantry and gives up a few meals and anonymously donates it to a family in need. A person who has self respect will not listen to cries for help and sit there doing nothing, doesn't matter if its calling 911 or taking their coat off and jumping into the icy river to save a stranger.

    Not something you think about its in you or it isn't. It isn't the company ass who dives on a grenade, its the nice guy who would have given you the shirt off his back if he thought you needed it. That man had self love, self respect and his self love encompassed everybody he ever met.

    I hope that clarifies my thinking a little bit.
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    So what you're saying is, to be moral one must give to others indiscriminately? It must not involve value judgements, i.e. giving only to those one deems deserving, or not at all?

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    Religion is more important than family? See you at the jihad.
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    Religion first, then Family & Individual tied for second place (I can't care for my family if I don't care for myself - and I wouldn't care for myself more than I care for my family). All others are not so important to me.

    Let me explain and illustrate:
    My relationship with, and my loyalty to God is the #1 priority in my life. my wife, my brother, my mother, my in-laws, and all my friends feel the exact same way. No human or human government can give me what my faith tells me that God can give me. If I put family, friends, money, work, belongings, etc. before God, I've just committed idolatry.

    Just look at the account in Genesis regarding Abraham's willingness to offer up his only son as a sacrifice - and Issac's willingness to be offered (Abraham was very old; Issac was a grown man, and could have easily overpowered his father if he wanted to). Did they put family or God first? The outcome was positive for all involved.

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    My girl and my wife are my world and hopefully soon a new little son.
    Some day my children will have a lot of guns and that will bring a smile to my face.

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    Last edited by Old Grump; April 8th, 2009 at 06:05 PM. Reason: typo
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    La Pistoletta:
    So what you're saying is, to be moral one must give to others indiscriminately? It must not involve value judgements, i.e. giving only to those one deems deserving, or not at all?
    The Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. So yes, you have summed it up nicely.
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    In what? As part of my life, or who I will associate with, or what?

    I guess that my religion makes me a better family man, so that's pretty important.

    what you're saying is, to be moral one must give to others indiscriminately? It must not involve value judgements, i.e. giving only to those one deems deserving, or not at all?
    Define deserving. It's good to help anyone so long as it doesn't put you at risk or do some harm. (I'm not going to help a criminal flee, for instance)

    Why would someone with self-respect sacrifice their selves? How is furthering the lives of those you love sacrifice?
    For instance, taking care of a family involves time and money. By spending it on your family, you are sacrificing them.
    You seem to believe that the choice is between hedonism and self-sacrifice.
    I could spend that money on myself or my family, with a few exceptions of course. (Everyone uses the car)
    What about rational self interest, doing what improves your life the most, along with those whom you value?
    Well, see you're still sacrificing for those who you value. Although you get more benifit out of it than if you had spend the money on yourself, it could still be considered self-sacrifice.
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