Calling all Veterans

[Vern Humphrey]

The Department of Homeland Security has announced that returning veterans are potential "right wing extremsts." This is based on an FBI memo. Janet Napolitano, the Secretary of Homeland Security stands by this announcement -- although the FBI is trying to backpeddal by saying, "What we really meant is that "right wing extremists" may try to recruit returning veterans.

Of course this contains the unspoken charges that there's something wrong with returning veterans and we have to watch them very carefully.

I propose the Director of the FBI and the Secretary of Homeland Security be impeached. I have contacted the two veteran's organizations I belong to, The Military Officers of America Association and the Military Order of the Purple Heart, and have received favorable replies.

I urge all veterans to contact their respective organizations -- let's bury them with a blizzard of demands for impeachment.

[Johnny Dollar]

I urge all veterans to contact their respective organizations -- let's bury them with a blizzard of demands for impeachment.

I completely agree.Even us Viet-Nam era vets didn't go through this kind of insanity.
The VFW and American Legion among others, will be hearing from me.Fine idea Vern Humphrey!

[dm1333]

Write your elected officials too. Hopefully one of my senators, Chris Dodd, has been spending time out of the office on a job search.

[iiibdsiil]

While all the veterans are in here...

Thank you for your service!

[RobNDenver]

Actually the DHS is not saying that returning vets are rightwing extremists.

The DHS has said that rightwing extremist groups (eg skinheads) are recruiting returning vets. The FBI has been tracking this intelligence for years. http://cryptome.org/spy-whites.pdf The link takes you to an unclassified report of the Bureau's assessment of recruitment. It hasn't stopped there.

Members of the Aztlan Gangs and Mexican Mafia have attempted to recruit service members who have been to the sandbox.

When I was in Vietnam there were Black Panthers hangers-on and later members of the Black Panther Party used US Army techniques in recruiting and organization. . .

The BPP based most of its organization and training using standard practices used in the Army. Geronimo ji -Jaga (Pratt) for example was highly trained in the U.S. Army and assumed the role of Minister of Defense for the BPP.

Please don't get your knickers in a twist over this report. It accurately portrays what domestic terrorist organizations would like to do. . . recruit trained, experienced fighters and employ them in ways hostile to our country if they can.

[Vern Humphrey]

Actually the DHS is not saying that returning vets are rightwing extremists.

No, they're saying returning vets are the sort of people who will be recruited, and we should watch then very carefully.

Members of the Aztlan Gangs and Mexican Mafia have attempted to recruit service members who have been to the sandbox.

And these are hardly "right wing groups" are they?

[RobNDenver]

Vern,
I am not going to engage is a flame war with you, but law enforcement needs to very carefully examine the activities of domestic terrorists like the AB, Aryan Nations, MS-13, Mexican Mafia, Traveling Vice Lords, Latin Kings and others.

No one at DHS, or at the FBI suggests that returning veterans need to be watched, unless they associate with organizations that advocate the violent overthrow of our government.

If you want to be productive in this matter, I would suggest that you write or call your congress persons' and remind them that law abiding citizens form the first bulwark of defense to threats against this country. Mention to them that you vote, and that you watch their actions in defense of the second amendment.

If you happen to see evidence of anti-American behavior, drug dealing, firearms straw purchases, receiving stolen property, and the like drop a dime on it. We don't need anymore skinheads or gang-bangers threatening our way of life.

[Vern Humphrey]

I am not going to engage is a flame war with you, but law enforcement needs to very carefully examine the activities of domestic terrorists like the AB, Aryan Nations, MS-13, Mexican Mafia, Traveling Vice Lords, Latin Kings and others.

They can do that without maligning our returning veterans -- even the FBI admits the numbers of the groups they say are recruiting returning veterans are declining.

No one at DHS, or at the FBI suggests that returning veterans need to be watched, unless they associate with organizations that advocate the violent overthrow of our government.

So they have to be watched to be sure that they don't "associate with organizations that advocate the violent overthrow of our government."

Here's a hint -- some of the organizatons in question are clearly Hispanic -- but there's no warning that the Hispanics need to be watched. So why are veterans singled out like this?

[Johnny Dollar]

Thank you for your service!

Thank you!You're welcome!
And just saw on Fox News profuse apologies are being issued by Janet N. and the DHS.
Too little too late,perhaps?

[Vern Humphrey]

I would say so. What this tells us is deep inside, they are quite willing to belive anything bad about veterans, and hound us for their own paranoia.

It smacks of the Clinton staffchick who attacked a general coming to talk to the President, "How dare you wear that uniform in here!"

[RecoilRob]

(Tinfoil hat on) I think the real problem for them is that pesky little oath we all took...to defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC. Makes perfect sense from a group that does not believe in the Constitution and is really worried about all of us with the ability to shoot being upset about it. (takes hat off)

[Big Daddy Grim]

I gotta call a load of buddys about this I am pissed.

[yooper_sjd]

(Tinfoil hat on) I think the real problem for them is that pesky little oath we all took...to defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC. Makes perfect sense from a group that does not believe in the Constitution and is really worried about all of us with the ability to shoot being upset about it. (takes hat off)

There were other stories aired and printed about other such related items a month ago........ if it does not stop now when will it my tinfoil hat been on since nov 14th of last year During the first gulf war, i was active duty, married to an arab decent woman, an my phone was bugged by the feds WHY SO!?!?!?!?! and this was way before the patriot act Now this is just one more straw on the camels back, it gotta stop soon, and it won't be stopped soon enough!!!! To me the fed gov thanks us for our service and for doing our duty, but still puts a possible label of extremist on us just because we took that little oath Makes alot of prior servicemembers lean towards the Domestic Enemy thinking!

If I am wrong, please correct me!!!!!! I feel I am not the only person that feels this way, nor will i be the last

[Vern Humphrey]

You are not wrong. This was an attack on all of us -- a dispicable, cowardly attack.

Contact all veterans organizations you belong to with a clear message -- impeach them,

[Harley Quinn]

I am afraid they have a good point

It is pretty obvious by the e-mail that is going around now and most who are sending, are right wing, and a heck of a lot of old time vets

The Current President has been in a few months, inherited a huge problem and they want to blame him

Good move guys...Lets allow it to sort out for at least a year

Regards

[Vern Humphrey]

I am afraid they have a good point

It is pretty obvious by the e-mail that is going around now and most who are sending, are right wing, and a heck of a lot of old time vets

What point do they have?

The fact that we are peacefully protesting this demonizing of the men who served this country somehow proves those men are extemists?

Is it now illegal to express a political opinion in the United States? Are people who exercise their First Amendment rights to be demonized by the government?

[NGIB]

My real fear is we're heading towards an environment where any comment that doesn't support BO 100% will either label you a racist or put you on a watch list - maybe both.

As a veteran, and with 2 kids that serve(d), I am offended and I've already written my legislators to protest this insult...

[Vern Humphrey]

My real fear is we're heading towards an environment where any comment that doesn't support BO 100% will either label you a racist or put you on a watch list - maybe both.

As a veteran, and with 2 kids that serve(d), I am offended and I've already written my legislators to protest this insult...

"All that is necessary for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing."

-- Edmund Burke

[Johnny Dollar]

"All that is necessary for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing."

-- Edmund Burke

As always,that quote says it all.
The Great Burke rules.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Burke

[TexasFats]

Quoted:

"My real fear is we're heading towards an environment where any comment that doesn't support BO 100% will either label you a racist or put you on a watch list - maybe both."

That is also my fear. In fact, I wonder if part of the motivation for this report is to intimidate opponents of current policies and to chill criticism of current policy.

A second motivation may be that the left seems to stereotype all conservatives as stupid and evil. At least, that is the impression that I get from a number of the talking heads on MSM news.

[ThrottleJockey]

So what about the International gang, MS13 or whatever it is called that sends it's recruits to the marines for training? And the fact that the USMarineCorps is ok with it as long as they keep the gang membership on the down low?

[swgunner]

the military is NOT ok with gang members. Something real interesting to watch is a an E4,5,6, or 7 see some pissant E2 flashing gang signs when that NCO left home and never looked back because of gangs. In uncle sam's navy its normally a 10 minute conversation in a fan room after which former gangbanger has his head screwed on straight or is grabbed by the stacking swivel and taken to the old man and Masted for degrading good order and discipline, and 45 days later or in some cases 90 (Corrective Custody Unit) you have one motivated sailor who will go above and beyond to keep his nose clean. Those that dont , dont last long at all.

[JWeeks]

The Current President has been in a few months, inherited a huge problem and they want to blame him

Well, there are problems that he inherited, and problems that he is helping to create. This report belongs to the latter group.

From my perspective, the vast majority of veterans are one of the last groups to get involved with extremism on either side. It was probably slightly more likely back in the day of the draft, but with an all volunteer force, it flies in the face of what these men and women fought for.

The report might have likely said that people who attend church regularly, or are members of certain churches that tend to take the bible more literally are likewise likely to be associated with right wing extremists (OH, maybe the report already says that).

Of course, our founding fathers would have easily been included on the right wing extremist list, too.

[Johnny Dollar]

Of course, our founding fathers would have easily been included on the right wing extremist list, too.

Amen to that piece of wisdom,JWeeks.

[Vern Humphrey]

So what about the International gang, MS13 or whatever it is called that sends it's recruits to the marines for training? And the fact that the USMarineCorps is ok with it as long as they keep the gang membership on the down low?

You've said it. Now prove it.

And let me point out that MS13 is not a right wing extremist group.