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    Should Texas secede?

    Well, it's not the question of whether they can, it's whether they should.

    If the U.S. goes downhill I think it should be considered, though it should be non-violent.
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    I think they SHOULD

    It is the most likely besides Alaska to be able to do it. I believe that it would be a catalyst for other states to follow suit. Instead of WAR though which I think I've addressed before, have a peaceful secession. Make sure no one fires a shot in anger and make concessions like time frame to close or lease bases already within borders, make sure to just cut the legislative ties and taxes. I am with others, that this is the perfect time since the world has such a smattering of armed forces across the globe. forcing the issue won't happen. We've also seen the weakness that resides in 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue with his dealings with other nations. Why would Texas be any different?

    I might add that as a run up to it that we could see if we can make the issue of MORE global involvement of forces so they can't be used at home.

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    Jimbothefiveth,
    It's spelled "secede".
    (Just trying to be helpful, not picking on ya)

    But on the actual topic, what would Texas actually get presuming the rest of the United States didn't actively fight to keep them in the union? The problem with secession (a "dis-united states" as it were) is that there are still plenty of other nations out there that would love to divide and conquer.

    I admit that Texas has a lot of factors that make it likely to be able to "go it alone" but I'm not sure how well it would work if they were squeezed by the remaining U.S. on one side and Mexico on the other.
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    Just one state can't do it, especially a land locked state. Besides, they don't need to secede. They only need to fight hard for states rights, which the Constitution is supposed to protect. Were the Feds to ignore the Constitution and court rulings that have and will inevitably come down, Texas won't be the only state to pull out. Montana's new law, which become's effective in October, seeks to tell the Feds that interstate trade does not apply to a gun manufactured and sold in the state. The outcome of the inevitable law suit that the Feds will file that day the law becomes active will have a HUGE initial effect on the issue.

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    No state should seceed from the U.S. It would br bad for United States and an unmitigated disaster for Texas.

    But if they insist, too bad Texas didn't leave before the 2000 election. The previous eight years would have turned out much better.

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    Believe it or not I actually wanted Gore to win.

    That brings up a valid concern though. If Texas seceeds, the rest of us have to deal with Obama.
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    Just one state can't do it, especially a land locked state. Besides, they don't need to secede.
    Texas is far from land locked.Looks like about 400 miles of the Gulf of Mexico from Brownsville to Port Arthur.
    Texas easily would have the best chance of any state at a successful secession,IMO.
    And they have prior experience from 1836 to 1845,I believe, as an independent nation..Course that's been awhile!

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    I don't think any state should secede. The real question is, does a state(s) feel that they must secede in order to protect the rights and liberties of their peoples.

    In the case of Texas, I read an interesting view concerning the last election, voter percentages due to hispanic votes for Obama and the provisions for the Republic/State to break up into individual states.

    With no research and only recollection of the post, apparently 3 of the5 potential states would be likely to secede, but that's a start...

    In a more realistic view, I see states distancing from a progressively weaker federal government and achieving a degree of autonomy while technically remaining in the "union".

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    Texas easily would have the best chance of any state at a successful secession,IMO.
    I think Alaska would have the best chance due to distance from CONUS The army would actually have to do a sea invasion
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    nope.
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    I think Alaska would have the best chance due to distance from CONUS The army would actually have to do a sea invasion
    Let the 2 states make a parlay and bow out together.That way we won't have to figure out who has the better chance.
    I still back Texas with its vast population,natural resources,400 miles of waterfront,the fighting spirit of its citizens,The Texas Rangers(not the baseball team)the Alamo and the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders.Enough.
    I admire Alaska and feel that it could also succeed in secession with the lovely Governor leading the charge.
    But my money is on the Lone Star State.

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    Should Texas secede?

    Yes, before it's too late.

    Texas Secede!

    Q: How would Texas—and Texans—benefit from secession?
    A: In many ways. Over the past century-and-a-half the United States government has awarded itself ever more power (but not the lawful authority) to meddle with the lives, liberty, and property of the People of Texas (as well as those of the other States).

    Sapping Texans' wealth into a myriad of bureaucratic, socialist schemes both in the U.S. and abroad, the bipartisan despots in Washington persist in expanding the federal debt and budget deficits every year. Texans would indeed gain much by reclaiming control of their State, their property, their liberty, and their very lives, by refusing to participate further in the fraud perpetrated by the Washington politicians and bureaucrats.

    By restoring Texas to an independent republic, Texans would truly reclaim a treasure for themselves and their progeny.
    Last edited by Eustachius234; June 4th, 2009 at 06:37 AM.
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    Texas Secede!

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    I am not so sure that Texas becoming part of Mexico again would be helpful. You might argue that wouldn't happen but if you look at the migration patterns that turned Tejas into Texas working in reverse now it seems almost a certainty if Texas seceded.

    Nearly all of Southern Texas is now Mexican and the loss of the border patrol would likely lead to a massive flood of immigrants coming across the border. I would say it would take about the same amount of time that it took Texas to become part of the US (say 20 years) it would become part of Mexico.
    I think Alaska would have the best chance due to distance from CONUS The army would actually have to do a sea invasion
    The US Army is already in AK. The Alaska National Guard's last biggest worry was to try to make pot smoking legal for it's soldiers. I don't think they will be much trouble.

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    I am not so sure that Texas becoming part of Mexico again would be helpful. You might argue that wouldn't happen but if you look at the migration patterns that turned Tejas into Texas working in reverse now it seems almost a certainty if Texas seceded.

    Nearly all of Southern Texas is now Mexican and the loss of the border patrol would likely lead to a massive flood of immigrants coming across the border. I would say it would take about the same amount of time that it took Texas to become part of the US (say 20 years) it would become part of Mexico.
    That's why this is Texas' last chance to take care of it's own situation.

    The Feds have sold the Union down the road of some multicultural claptrap - UN, NAFTA, WTO, etc., and are deligently working on solidifying a North American Union. They don't give a damn about the states and their unique cultures ...

    Only Texas would care about securing it's own borders, making Texas less appealing - scrapping the welfare state, allowing homeowners to defend themselves, incarcerating & deporting illegals, etc.

    I don't know if it would reverse the tide, stem it maybe, but at least it would give Texas a fighting chance to preserve it's culture intact, by allowing for assimilation rather than the Reconquista ...
    Last edited by Eustachius234; June 4th, 2009 at 09:13 AM.
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    Texas Secede!

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