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    DA 22 Magnum Revolver for Self Defense

    Greetings,

    After reading some works by Bill Jordan, I noticed that he expounded about the virtues of 22 magnum revolvers for self defense.

    Can anyone recommend quality S&W (new or used) or similar DA 22 magnum revolvers which are concealable?

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    Don't know if you'll get any takers on the virtues of the .22WMR for self defense.

    S&W makes the 351PD. A J-frame Scandium Aluminum alloy revolver, 1 7/8" barrel. It's kind of heavy though, it weighs in at 10.? ounces. (The ? was because I don't remember exactlt how many 1/10hs it is.) It has a 6 shot cylinder.

    I've been wanting one as a companion to my 360, but other guns just seem to keep getting in my way.

    Taurus makes one (better for the cost conscious), but it's on a much larger frame. Granted you get 8 shots, but at a price of concealability and weight.

    Those are the only two companies that give you much choice in DA revolvers.

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    Beats a nerf bat or a banana cream pie I guess but my opinion is it really doesn't matter as long as the gun is reliable and concealable. It will be a belly button gun so accuracy isn't going to be a real large factor unless you are talking about having to fight off the neighbors ankle biter while you are jogging. Now can we talk you into something a bit more efficient.
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    You can buy a .38 special or .357 magnum at close to the same weight and size as a .22 magnum.

    If your arthritis is even worse than mine and all you can handle is a .22 magnum, then carry it with pride; under all other circumstances, I'd recommend a firearm with enough horsepower to stand a chance of stopping a crime.

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    I wont carry anything less then a 38

    I understand that a 22 can do the job but that doesn't mean it will
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    I'm with Old Grump; better than a winning smile, but not as desirable as a real gun.

    If I recall correctly, I believe Brother Jordan's comments about the .22 WMR was related to back up guns, not primary weapons.

    On the other hand, if that's what one has, that's what one carries.
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    The Smith 351PD is built just for your stated purpose. 7-shot cylinder and super light. Mine had trouble with Winchester ammo even after a trip back to the factory, but was 100% with CCI. It was a minute-of-badguy gun, NOT a trail gun.

    Taurus makes both a steel and a lightweight 22 maggie at half the price of the Smith and they have adjustable sights, too! Barrels available from 2 to 6 inches.

    Smith made the 650, a three-inch, fixed-sight all stainless J-frame 22mag and they are sweet.

    The 4-inch barrel stainless version was the 651 and the original blue steel, 3.5 inch barreled one was the Model 51.

    Buy lots of ammo and get to know your gun. They are EXTREMELY loud, but with nearly zero recoil, easy to shoot.

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    Carry what makes you happy. I spent a few years carrying a .22LR. Beats the empty hands by a LOT.

    Okay, one thing to keep in mind with the .22Mag is penetration. That cartridge has some serious penetration. I don't mean this as a joke. Once, at a range, we were shooting at some 3/8" aluminum plates to see what would go through in the pistol calibers. We did .22LR, .22Mag, 9mm, .40S&W, .45, .38Spl, .357Mag, .44Mag, and S&W500. Clean hole through was made by .22Mag, .357Mag, .44Mag, and S&W500.
    It's pleasant to shoot and it is quite accurate (mine had 7"bbl) and loud, but the cost of ammo is about the same (or more) as that of 9mm.

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    S&W 351 pd 7 shooter is very light as has been noted. it is also very accurate if you aim it and practice. as a point shooter i rate it a high as possible. though not all are accomplished as point shooters, it is a good idea to practice and see how well you are. playing cards at 3 yards; paper pie plates at 5 yardsand 8" dinner plates at 7 yards.
    if you spend a lot of time sitting [in a car or at a desk] the NAA 4" black widow makes for a gtreat boot gun. best carries inside ankle on the leg opposite the hand you will draw it with. most come with a 22lr cylender also. 351pd will fire 22lr in a pinch, though accuracy may be but 5" at 15 feet.
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    There's something one should consider before settling on .22 WMR as a self defense caliber. The magnums really benefit from a longish barrel. I'd go .38 SPL, myself, if I had to pick a revolver. They have some real small ones nowadays.
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    I'd go .38 SPL, myself, if I had to pick a revolver.
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    They have some real small ones nowadays.
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    NAA makes some very concealable .22mags.

    I really doubt any member here would take a .22 mag to the chest to demonstrate the lack of stopping power. For that matter a .22lr or even a .22short.

    I'm sure most have seen the film clip of Regan being shot. That secret service agent took a .22lr out of a Rossi revolver to the gut, it picked him up and put him right on the ground.

    Bigger is better, but a .22mag well do if that's what you have.
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    NAA makes some very concealable .22mags.
    These have to be some of the most useless revolvers ever made for serious self-defense. At least .22 Mag is a somewhat powerful round. .22LR, or .22 Short? You have to be kidding me. The ergonomics on those pistols are so crappy, and in a rimfire cartridge to boot.

    At a minimum, consider a .32 Long, or .32 H&R revolver. It's centerfire, and .32 Long is a better round than a .22 Magnum.

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    Some things look better on paper than they work in real life. This is one of them.

    I shot a few stray dogs with a 9422m in the chest cavity and they sorta flinched. Cut 16" of barrel off of that and a cut for a clynder gap.... Figure in that it a longer burning powder for rifles.

    Bottom line, You want a bullet that will break bones and make a hole. A VERY large part of the human reaction to shooting is knowing they have been shot.

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    Interesting discussion. . . . . . .

    I have always enjoyed the 22LR for plinking and playing, however for my personal protection I have been utilizing 380 simply as I find I have much better grouping with it than with larger rounds. And if I’ve learned anything listening to most of the weapons podcasts & reading "THR" is to be good at what you have.

    It seems that IF there were handguns more readily available in a 22 magnum they would also take off like the 380 did with the “LCP”

    My favorites (in this caliber), by the way are the Kel-Tec P-3AT, the Browning BDA 380, & my newest the Bersa Firestorm < http://www.firestorm-sgs.com/ >

    I am quite intrigued by the newest Ruger LCR w\ factory CT laser & will look into this as my next purchase. . . . .

    My favorite handgun for shooting has to be the Ruger MKII, however, it is the hardest weapon to breakdown for cleaning.

    Well, thanks again,
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    ventana,
    Just be forewarned, a .22 Magnum especially in a short revolver is VERY loud. IMO the minimal added velocity when shot from a short revolver isn't worth the excessive report and flash. I would think a .22LR revolver using 40gr CCI Velocitor or 32gr CCI Stinger ammo would come close to the .22 Magnum. (again, I'm talking about from a short barrel revolver, not a rifle) I haven't tested this so I might be wrong but I know I'm not wrong about how really loud a .22 Magnum revolver is. There's also a wide gap between the price of .22 Magnum ammo and .22LR ammo too.

    CCI data when shot from a rifle:
    40gr CCI Maxi-Mag (0024) is reported @ 1875 fps. (.22 Magnum)
    40gr CCI Velocitor (0047) is reported @ 1435 fps. (.22 LR)
    40gr CCI Mini-Mag HV (0030) is reported @ 1235 fps. (.22 LR)
    40gr CCI Standard Velocity (0032) is reported @ 1070 fps. (.22 LR)

    30gr CCI Maxi-Mag +V (0059) is reported @ 2200 fps. (.22 Magnum)
    30gr CCI Maxi-Mag TNT (0060) is reported @ 2050 fps. (.22 Magnum)
    32gr CCI Stinger (0050) is reported @ 1640 fps. (.22 LR)

    As you see the Velocitor and Stinger ammo is quite a bit faster than the standard and high velocity .22LR ammo and of course the Magnum ammo is faster yet. Question is, will it be as fast in a 2" or 4" barrel? And if so will that added velocity be a good trade off when faced with the additional report and flash? Then again you will also lose velocity from the .22LR ammo when shot from a short barrel revolver but I don't feel the percentage of loss will be the equal.

    I like CCI Velocitor ammo a lot more than I like Stinger ammo. I just like a heavier bullet because it retains and delivers more energy, even in a .22 rimfire. A 40gr projectile pushed to over 1400 fps is no joke...
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    A 22 mag or even a .22 short would stop me from atacking you. But then I'm not crazy, or impaired. A little pcp and it wouldn't even phase me probably.

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    "...a banana cream pie..." Head shot?
    A .22 Mag or .22 LR is better than nothing, but you must be able to shoot either extremely well and have nerves of steel. A .44 Mag won't help either if you can't place the shot.
    Bill Jordan spent a lot of time practicing. You're not Bill Jordan. If a .22 Magnum revolver is what you have, practice with it, using whatever ammo it shoots best, until it's part of you. If you can't or won't do that, forget about it.
    Mind you, you must be able to shoot any handgun well to use one for self-defence.

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    One of the advantages to .22 ammo, Mag or LR, is the low recoil, which allows for fast followup shots. I can empty a 10 round clip full of Stingers out of P22 faster than I can shoot 3 shots from a 9mm or .40S&W, or 2 shots from a .44 Mag, into a 6" circle at 10 yards. Granted, one would not need 10 head shots with a Stinger either. I am quite certain (or disillusioned enough) that two or four rounds of a hyper-velocity .22 in a fast sequence will send BG's nerve system tumbling as much as the next best thing. Of course, if the BG is severely intoxicated or under drug influence, and does not feel a thing, even a .45 would make less than optimal impact. I belive I've read a police report somewhere about a BG on PCP who took several magazines' worth of .45 and still shot and ran away, until he dropped dead several dozen yards away.

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    Taurus seems to put a lot of faith in the .17 HMR for self defense as they are making many short barreled revolvers in that caliber. Personally I would go for Hyper velocity solid over .22mag simply because IMO any .22 is going to require proper placement to be effective and you can get more .22LR ammo for the money and practice more.

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    I have shot many stray dogs with a .22 magnum Single-Six, and you can count on a dog to run 50-100 feet before dropping from a heart shot. A retired police buddy of mine believes in Big Slow Bullets, and packs a .45 Colt Taurus snubby for protection. I am always advising people to buy a gun for the real thing, and a similar .22 to get lots of trigger time practicing in case you have to use your gun for defense. Building your skill through more practice is good justification to buy more guns, and you will shoot more. More guns, more fun, more skill.

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    VA27, can I ask what issue you have with Wincheter Ammo in your 351? I am picking one up today and was planning on picking up some Winchester Supreme 34gr if I could...but am curious as to what your problem was

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    Small & weak...

    I would not use the .22magnum for protection or main CC use. The documented 1 shot stop levels for this round are only 30-40%.

    The lowest I'd go is a .380acp or a .38spl for this type of handguns.

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    If the .22 magnum's good, a 38 or even a 327's better
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    pvq,

    I didn't try the Supremes, just the SuperX 40gr HP and FMJ. Hard rims or light hammer fall, 2 or 3 out of 7 sometimes, then a cylinderful with no misfires. Got it back from Smith with no joy.

    I tried CCI MaxiMags and they were 100% and with better accuracy, too. So that is what I switched to.

    YMMV because every rimfire gun is a law unto itself.

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