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    Eek! Time to dis-invite Karl Malone from the NRA board.

    What waffling crap.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...html?eref=sihp

    Former NBA star Karl Malone is an avid hunter who publicly declared his advocacy of the right to bear arms by becoming a spokesman for the National Rifle Association. SI.com asked Malone for his thoughts on the situation involving three-time All-Star Gilbert Arenas, who acknowledged Monday that he stored unloaded guns at the Verizon Center in Washington, D.C., and said he displayed them in front of Wizards teammate as "a misguided effort to play a joke."

    The report that Arenas and teammate Javaris Crittenton had allegedly pulled guns on each other was one of the worst things I've ever seen come across the TV. All the years I played, I've never heard of anything like this alleged incident or of a player bringing guns into the locker room. Doing that in the locker room, with so much that can happen? It's one of those things you just don't do. I can't make any sense of that. You can't tell me one good thing that can happen with a gun in an arena, but I can tell you a thousand bad things.

    If I'm a player on that team, of course, I'm saying to those guys, "What the hell are you doing?" Even if, as Arenas insists, he brought the guns to the arena because he wanted them away from his children at home, I wouldn't have bought that excuse. Buy a safe. Put them in there. End of story.

    The NBA can't sweep something like that under the rug. To me, this is another example of a dark cloud that we can never seem to get over. When I say "we," I mean the NBA. I'm still an NBA player; I'm just retired. The amazing thing to me is, it seems just when the league has a little bit of positivity, then we have one big negative and it reflects on all the players. Now people think every NBA player is carrying firearms into the locker room. I guess the next thing is that instead of us walking around those metal detectors in arenas, we should start walking through them. So many kids are doing it the right way in the league, but you get linked with one guy making one mistake.

    This is bigger than a guns-in-the-locker-room story, because supposedly the alleged altercation stemmed from a gambling debt. I used to play cards with teammates, and you're not just playing for the sake of it. You're playing for money, but I never won or lost to the point I was angry with my teammates and wanted to fight or pull a gun.

    With regard to discipline, commissioner David Stern is the only one who can attempt to fix this, and he has to be the one to make the statement -- in the same way that Roger Goodell treats disciplinary situations with the NFL. I absolutely love the way Goodell handles things. I know people don't really like what Goodell has done in certain cases, but they respect him because he'll tell you why he did it. I don't want to seem like I'm bashing Stern, because I'm not, but that's what people want to see.

    I don't want to see Arenas made an example of, but this is not just a minor situation, and if we say that, it's ridiculous. This is one of those times that the league needs to say, "We will not condone this." Guys need to be proud of being an NBA player. Being in the NBA is a great thing. The league owes us nothing. We owe what we have to the NBA. Take your job seriously, have a sense of urgency to get people back in the stands. People are waiting to see how the commissioner handles it. They don't want to hear from anyone but him.

    I like Arenas, but his initial reaction to this, in which he downplayed the seriousness of having guns in the locker room, was all wrong. It's wrong to make light of a firearm. That's when mistakes are made. 'Fess up, and don't blow it off like it wasn't a mistake. Say, "I made a terrible mistake with a gun. I need to make it right." This is nothing to be laughing about.

    Once again, gun owners get a bad rap. We're good people; we're not back in the Old West. I got my first gun when I was 8 years old -- an old .410 single shot. I've been around them all the time ever since, and I'm a member of the NRA. I love guns, and I respect guns. I have them in a secure place. When I was in Utah, I took all the necessary training with the gun and had my concealed-weapons permit, and I'll be the first to tell you I don't go anywhere in my vehicle without my weapon, but at no point has it ever occurred to me to take it inside anywhere, let alone an arena.

    Unfortunately, we always hear bad things about guns. But guns don't kill people -- people kill people. I'm not saying that everybody should have guns, but I will tell you this: If you're willing to go through the training and proper procedure to have guns, then they're fine.

    But if I were a gun dealer and somebody walked in and said, "I want this for protection," I don't know if I would sell it to that person, because that person's only thinking about another confrontation. The people who get threatened or cut off in their car and think about their guns are the people who don't need a gun. My grandfather, Leonard Jackson, once told me, "Karl, remember this, son: If you ever pull a gun, be prepared to fire that gun, because the person you pull that gun on has every right to pull a gun on you." He told me that when I was 6 and I didn't even have a gun yet.

    The big picture is that guns won't protect you. If someone really wanted to get you, they would. If you still feel you need that protection, get yourself a bodyguard who knows the rules and knows the laws. How about you do all of that before you even consider having a gun? For you to say you need a gun for your protection? My goodness gracious, how are you living that you need that? I don't know where all these guys grew up, or who wants to do something to them, but be honest about why you want it. If you need a gun for that, that's for all the wrong reasons and something bad will come from it.

    If I seem a little fired up, I am. It's a privilege to own a firearm and I take offense when people don't handle their business the right way.

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    Is he still a member of the board? I'm a recently made life member, and based on this, I won't be voting for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl Malone
    When I was in Utah, I took all the necessary training with the gun and had my concealed-weapons permit, and I'll be the first to tell you I don't go anywhere in my vehicle without my weapon, but at no point has it ever occurred to me to take it inside anywhere, let alone an arena.
    I call B.S.


    What would be the point of having a concealed weapons permit if you never, ever carry anywhere except in your car. How frequent are car-jackings in Utah?

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    It's a privilege to own a firearm and I take offense when people don't handle their business the right way.
    And you don't call B.S. on this?

    (He's saying it's a privilege, not a right btw...)
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    This is not the Karl Malone,who cherished the 2nd Amendment,that I knew.
    This sounds like some preposterous impostor.
    Say it isn't so,Karl.

    If true,we hardly knew you.
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    Perhaps a poor choice of words. I am willing to give Karl a little room here -- he probably knows more about locker room card games and what might happen than the rest of us.

    I do think one of the problems in this situation is that Arenas makes light of it. I read that is just his personality, but it makes it a little uneasy.
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    It's a privilege to own a firearm...
    Not in the America I was born in!
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    It's a privilege to own a firearm...
    That is the problem.
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    what a dumskull.
    Hey karl while you didn't bring a firearm into the delta center now energy solutions arena.I did and still do to this day.. with my CCW
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    I think Karl was speaking from the outrage of what Arenas and Crittenton did with those firearms. Plus Karl obviously knew that they had been pulled on each other because of one of them welshing on a bet, and not as a joke. It was in that context that Karl made his remarks. I agree that those guns should not have been brought to the locker room. They were not being used as a defensive weapon. Arenas and Crittenton used their guns as offensive weapons. Then they lied about it.

    I understand what point Karl Malone was trying to make here. He was saying neither one of them should have brought guns to the locker room for the purpose they displayed them. Simple as that. And I agree. I am all for responsible gun ownership. But when you are irresponsible with them, you shouldn't be allowed to have them. You give up your "right" by your own choice, when you act irresponsibly with them. And an illegal gambling debt was an irresponsible use of firearms.

    Now the one who drew his in defense of his life when confronted by the firearm, I don't have a problem with. I only have the problem with the one who thought he could use the firearm to intimidate the other.

    But some of the rest of Karl's statements I find fault in. If I go to a gun store to buy a gun, it's because I know I need one to defend myself or my family. I don't think to many criminals go to gun store to buy their guns. They get them through back channel's. I would be pretty PO'd if I had Karl Malone decide for me that I don't need a gun. That's for me to decide, not for anyone else and the state to decide.
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    not enough to Zumbo the guy, sometimes folks on our side say dumb things...he aint passing no laws, is he?
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    The mail man goes postal...

    I agree with most of what he is saying. Gun owners should think before they act when it comes to firearms use. More firearms owners should also get more credit for taking training classes, following safe methods, acting IAW local/state/federal laws etc. I take issue with his views that gun ownership is not a formal right as a US citizen but he can express his own views. What Arenas did was not allowed by team policy, NBA rules and the LAWS of the District. As a basic NRA member I don't think what KM said was wrong. If anyone here wants something to complain about The Mailman with watch him act as a INS agent in a ep of the CBS show; Nash Bridges. Now that is an outrage. lol
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    Malone was interviewed on CNN or HLN today, don't remember which. I only heard, not saw, the interview (XM radio). He waffled, sounded like a pretty poor spokesman for 2A and RKBA. Never mentioned how the laws of DC violate the COTUS. Never mentioned that Arenas is an IDIOT for pointing a gun at someone. Just as pretty poor. I was not disappointed, tho. I didn't expect much from him.

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    Sadly, self protection is a 'priviledge' in my state

    Your ability to get a permit to carry concealed depends entirely on how much you 'donate' to the local Sheriff's re-election campaign. CCW's are as rare as hen's teeth in my county.

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    The big picture is that guns won't protect you. If someone really wanted to get you, they would. If you still feel you need that protection, get yourself a bodyguard who knows the rules and knows the laws. How about you do all of that before you even consider having a gun?
    Sorry, Karl, but you have developed an elitist attitude. Black women going home at night need as much protection as anyone else, yet they likely can't even afford a gun, let alone a bodyguard.
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    Sorry, but I see where he is coming from. When you put it n the context of a professional athlete who leads a rather pampered life he is right on the money. My son is with a Major League Ball Club, wears a Championship ring and has brought a number of his friends home. Alone they can be nice guys, but many are very young and have lots of money and don't like being told anything.
    I have put several through the NRA Safety course and the Basic pistol course, all of it approved by the Front Office. In fact in Baseball the Professioanl Trainers Magazine had a front cover of athletes with guns and a suggestion that athletes take proper gun safety courses.
    Having a spoksman like Karl who has great credibility with the folks we need on our side is smart. We need to advise him to talk to someone he respects about his comments as they affect the general public.
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    Karl Malone; LA/MS Katrina relief celebs...

    Big Karl should get credit too for his convictions. After Katrina, he took his own equipment and employees from his company to help clear trees and assist the home owners in LA & MS. It wasn't just PR. It does annoy me though when other Hollywood celebs do anti gun PSAs or rattle on about gun control but then own/carry firearms for their own protection or pay armed bodyguards/EP agents. That double standard is a crock.
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    It seemed like a reasonable statement to me.

    He was being asked to comment on the idiocy of those two bone-heads and did so nicely. He also stressed the importance of responsible gun ownership, which was nice. Im sure his wording would have been tweeked a bit if it were run through the NRA's PR people, but I can't argue with anything he said.

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    Gee, I agree with just about every word in Mr. Malone's quotes. If he wants to leave his gun in his car, that's his business. And in most states you need a permit to carry a concealed handgun. If you need a license, then its a privilege. It shouldn't be, but it is.

    I'm no longer an NRA member, but if I ever decide to re-up, he'll get my vote. I'll even nominate him for Chuck Heston's old job.
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    I agree with about 80% of what he said too. I think some of the quotes above reflect what I don't agree with. This is fairly moderate view and not that unusual in the gun community. I would say on a commitment level of 1 to 10 to the 2A he scores about a 6.5.

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    I think his intended audience also comes into play here. This is a Sports Illustrated article intended for a mainstream group of readers. Comments made to a publication for firearm enthusiasts might be a bit less diplomatic or politically correct.

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    I don't think KM will be walking out into a press conference holding a Barrett high above his head shouting "From my cold dead hands!" anyway.

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    The Mailman wasn't a trash talker when he played. Don't think he's about to start.

    I would much rather have an understated spokesman who connects to the mainstream that a blowhard.
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