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Thread: Old Double Barrel Shotgun I.D.

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    Old Double Barrel Shotgun I.D.

    I have had this gun for sometime now..I have been trying to I.D it off and on over the years. It was my great Uncles.

    I could find no marks on the gun untill now. I took the gun apart and on the under side of ther barrel that was being covered by I guess what would be considered the forearm is a ELC with a star under it in a circle.


    There is also a marking of JG, there seems to be an "M" marked on each of the barrels near the closed end of the barrel. Also it looks like there is a T on one barrel and a L on the other one.

    All of these marking are in about a 6" area what would have been under the forearm.

    Thanks for any guidance you can give.

    Here are some pics, I didnt take any new ones of the marking but I dont you would be able to see them in a pic anyway.

    http://www2.snapfish.com/slideshow/A...NAME=snapfish/

    http://www2.snapfish.com/slideshow/A...NAME=snapfish/

    http://www2.snapfish.com/slideshow/A...NAME=snapfish/

    http://www2.snapfish.com/slideshow/A...NAME=snapfish/

    http://www2.snapfish.com/slideshow/A...NAME=snapfish/

    Sorry couldnt get the pics to show...just showed a Red X...so I just included the links
    Last edited by Ford1911; January 6th, 2010 at 05:56 PM. Reason: pics

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    That is almost certainly ELG (star) which is the long time standard Belgian proof mark. The other stamps are likely various inspectors' marks. I see nothing to indicate which of the many, many, small Belgian 19th century operations built the gun.

    Is there a star or crown over any of the single letters? If a crown, it was made before 1877, if a star, in or after 1877. Before 1893, else the ELG would have a crown over it.
    I have a few facts and a lot of opinions.

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    The Marking is: E on top, L C or G under that, a star under that. This is all inside of the circle.

    E
    L CorG
    * <--Star
    this is all inside of a circle

    So will there be no way of ever figuring out who made this gun or what kind it is if there are no markings by the maker?

    I would also like to determine a value. I have it insured just based off of my Dad told me several years ago a friend of his who was a firearms dealer offered him $800 for it.

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    What I said, Belgian.

    There is a chart of Belgian proof marks at:
    http://damascus-barrels.com/Belgian_All_Proofmarks.html

    I have never heard of a secret maker's code on an unbranded gun. They sold these things by the shipload in the late 19th century and people were more interested in a low price than a brand name. I think $800 was darned generous.
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    Way, generous in my thinking

    Regards

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    sounds good to me

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    thanks a lot for sharing and keep good answers old double barrel shotgun I.D. actually i like all old double barrel shotgun hehehe

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    "Guild Guns" were often unmarked except for proof marks. These are guns built primarily by apprentices and are fairly common, especially in Belgium made guns. They really isn't a way to trace who made them.
    But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. - The Declaration of Independance

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