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    Fire Mission - Hit this poll

    I know there are a lot of opinions about what good it does to hit these polls.
    Let me tell you folks that this one needs to be buried, the Restaurant bill in VA is in debate RIGHT NOW and public opinion matters!

    Here's a shortened "tinyURL" to the Virginian-Pilot Newspaper poll.

    http://tinyurl.com/ydow9uc

    (as always, please cut n' paste to get to the poll without the tracking)
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    I'm one of the "YES" voters.


    Poll Question
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    Should it be legal for people with gun permits to carry concealed weapons into restaurants that sell alcohol?
    Yes
    73% (1735 votes)

    No
    26% (613 votes)

    Undecided
    1% (25 votes)

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    It's past the Senate Committee. It still has to go before the General Assembly but we might hear something as soon as next week.

    Meanwhile....

    Va. Senate committee approves gun bills

    he Associated Press
    Published: February 11, 2010

    RICHMOND — Gun owners could take concealed guns into more places, including bars, and renew their permits by mail under bills that passed a key Senate committee on Wednesday.

    The Senate Courts Committee voted 8-7 to allow those with concealed weapon permits to carry hidden guns into restaurants as long as they don’t drink alcohol. Another bill would allow guns to be locked in compartments of boats or vehicles even if the gun owner did not have a concealed carry permit.

    The committee did not take up a perennially unsuccessful bill to close the so-called gun-show loophole, where private sellers at the shows don’t have to perform background checks on buyers. The House already had killed a similar bill.

    Senate Democrats took advantage of a newly expanded 22-18 majority to replace two retiring Republicans on the committee with two Democrats. However, one of those, Sen. Chap Petersen of Fairfax County, joined three other pro-gun right Democrats on the committee.

    “It’s madness to allow guns in bars, and it’s very discouraging we don’t have the votes to stop it,“ Sen. Janet Howell, D-Fairfax, said after the meeting.

    The restaurant bill passed the General Assembly twice before, but was vetoed by former Gov. Timothy M. Kaine. Gov. Bob McDonnell supports the bill, a version of which likely will pass the House this week.

    In Virginia, gun owners can openly carry guns into restaurants, but cannot conceal a weapon.

    Supporters of the bill say it would be safer if the gun were tucked away snugly on the patron’s hip or in a purse. Opponents argue that guns and alcohol don’t mix.

    Restaurant industry representatives said concealed weapons are allowed in the state’s 11,000 restaurants that do not sell alcohol, and allowing them in those that do could put bar owners in a predicament.

    “It’s going to be real hard for someone to determine whether that person they’re passing a beer or drink across the bar to if they have a concealed weapon on them,“ said Robert McNulty, general manager of Sine Irish Pub in Richmond.

    Restaurant owners can refuse to allow guns — whether open or concealed — into their establishments.

    “Criminals don’t need permission to do anything. They don’t seek permission to do anything,“ said Jim Hollar, a member of Gunowners of America. “What this is about is the law-abiding citizen that needs to protect himself from this individual.“

    Andrew Goddard, whose son was wounded during a mass shooting at Virginia Tech in 2007 but survived, got his concealed carry permit after passing an online course even though he said he knew nothing about guns. He said that fact, combined with the concern that some people with felonies or a history of mental illness still can get permits, makes him uncomfortable with putting so much trust into concealed carry permit holders.

    “I would be a lot more comfortable if I knew this meant something,“ Goddard said, holding up his permit.

    Sen. Ralph Smith’s bill would allow would allow concealed carry permit holders to renew their five-year permit via mail instead of appearing in person.

    A concealed carry permit would not be required to lock guns in containers or compartments in cars or boats under Sen. Jill Vogel’s bill, another proposal Kaine twice vetoed for fear it could endanger law enforcement officers. Usually, a weapon cannot be concealed unless the gunowner has a concealed carry permit.

    Under current law, motorists without concealed weapons permits may put guns on the seat beside them in plain view. Vogel said locking the gun in a glovebox would be safer if children were in the car.
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    I'm one of the "YES" voters.
    Yeah. You and I and anyone with more than 75 IQ points.

    Once again, my hat's off to the good people of the VCDL. Well done!
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    It should get done this time.
    Kaine, who was not able,is gone.

    That was bad!

    78 to 21% for the good guys at 11:30 EST.
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    As of 1224 Eastern:

    Yes
    79% (2444 votes)
    No
    20% (623 votes)
    Undecided
    1% (25 votes)

    What a concept, it seems someone in VA has realized that possessing a firearm and being near a beer won't make a citizen into a deranged psychopath.
    DON'T PANIC

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    Should it be legal for people with gun permits to carry concealed weapons into restaurants that sell alcohol?

    Yes 84% (3589 votes)

    No 15% (650 votes)

    Undecided 1% (28 votes)

    Total votes: 4267

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