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    Fire Mission - Another article and Poll on VA Concealed in Resturants

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    State's police chiefs seek veto of guns-in-bars bill

    By Deirdre Fernandes
    The Virginian-Pilot
    March 17, 2010

    VIRGINIA BEACH

    Calling guns in bars a "recipe for disaster," the state's police chiefs have pleaded with Gov. Bob McDonnell to veto legislation that would ease Virginia's concealed weapon laws.

    Virginia Beach police Chief Jake Jacocks Jr. sent a letter to McDonnell last week on behalf of the state association of chiefs comparing the combination of firearms and alcohol with drinking and driving.

    "We can fully expect that at some point in the future a disagreement that today would likely end up in a verbal confrontation, or a bar fight, will inevitably end with gunfire if you sign this legislation into law," Jacocks wrote.

    SB334's requirement that anybody with a gun is prohibited from drinking and could be charged with a misdemeanor is "absurd," Jacocks said, and can't be enforced.

    On Tuesday, Jacocks got support from Virginia Beach Mayor Will Sessoms, a McDonnell supporter and gun owner.

    "Not only is it stupid," Sessoms said, "I think it could be a fatal mistake."

    But their efforts seem unlikely to sway McDonnell.

    McDonnell will sign the bill, said Taylor Thornley, the governor's spokeswoman. While McDonnell appreciates the work and comments of the police chiefs, he will "continue to protect and uphold the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens," Thornley said.

    The bill deals only with concealed weapons; in Virginia it's legal to carry a gun openly without a permit.

    SB334 and its House counterpart, along with legislation that allows gun owners without concealed-carry permits to store firearms in locked vehicle compartments, were among the gun-friendly bills approved by the General Assembly this year. The Democratic-controlled Senate formed a special subcommittee late in the session to kill several gun-rights bills, including a repeal of the state's one-handgun-purchase-a-month limit.

    The police chiefs association has opposed the guns in bars bill in the past, but it also had a more sympathetic ear. Former Democratic Gov. Timothy M. Kaine twice vetoed such bills.

    The Virginia Association of Chiefs of Police didn't come out strongly against the bills during the session because it was spread too thin trying to preserve state funding for police departments, said Dana Schrad, the organization's executive director.

    "We didn't duck and cover on this one," Schrad said. "We had to prioritize on budget issues."

    The Virginia Sheriffs' Association, the other large law-enforcement lobby in the General Assembly, did not take a stand on the legislation, said John Jones, the organization's executive director.

    "No, we're not going down that road," Jones said.

    But association members recently did vote on a resolution supporting Second Amendment rights, Jones said.

    Jacocks and Schrad did acknowledge that the letter was a last-ditch effort.

    "It was important to let him know directly how we felt about this issue," Jacocks said.

    If police across Virginia see an increase in gun violence at bars, the association will come back and ask the General Assembly to reconsider its decision, Schrad said.

    Statistics on gun-related incidents at establishments with liquor licenses were not available Tuesday.
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    More of the sky is falling and Dodge City redux rhetoric.

    Besides Virginia at least 35 states allow you to carry and even drink either in the whole business or at least away from the 'bar' area.
    No problems that I've ever heard about.

    Again much sound bite ado about nothing.
    This part of the article brings no surprise:

    The Democratic-controlled Senate formed a special subcommittee late in the session to kill several gun-rights bills, including a repeal of the state's one-handgun-purchase-a-month limit.
    No difference between the Elephants and Donkeys even in the Old Dominion,right?

    Just voted to approve.Current results:

    56% Approve
    41% Veto
    3% Needs modification
    "A man's got to know his limitations."

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    Should Gov. Bob McDonnell veto or approve a bill easing concealed weapons laws?
    Veto
    23% (482 votes)

    Approve
    75% (1587 votes)

    The bill needs more modification
    2% (40 votes)

    Total votes: 2109
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    Update at 12:30 PM.We have a clear winner:

    Veto
    14% (573 votes)

    Approve
    85% (3607 votes)

    The bill needs more modification
    1% (50 votes)
    "A man's got to know his limitations."

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