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    What is it about gun critics and the 'Wild West?' - Dave Workman



    I made a comment in another THR.us thead on the Wild West and Timid East of the same peridod. Guess which was most dangerous. Yeah, you're right.

    What is it about gun critics and the 'Wild West?'

    People who have a “thing” about other people carrying firearms —either openly or concealed — must also have a pretty limited imagination.
    They all seem to equate carrying defensive sidearms with the so-called “Wild West..."

    http://www.examiner.com/x-4525-Seatt...-the-Wild-West

    Or try this:

    http://tinyurl.com/29pr6vs

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    You have so called 'open carry advocates' that are NOT for open carry for ALL kinds of firearms and, in fact, do NOT support Open Carry Issues the SAME EXACT WAY that you (Meaning some of you.) and I do, think, support, carry and endorse from a to z!

    You see this on many GUN forums including Open Carry and Conceal Carry Forums and in 'real life' OFF the net.

    In other words, they may SAY and WRITE one thing but when it comes down to it - they are NOT fully supporting the 'Second' the way that I do and they do NOT fully support OPEN CARRY and other firearm/freedom issues the way that I do there too.

    These people and many of their organizations are coming out of the CLOSET and you can see where they REALLY stand in firearm, freedom and in many other POLITICAL issues too. Many of them turned out to be something that I NEVER thought that they would be ON and OFF the internet in firearm and freedom issues. It is pathetic! Can you say 'chickens' for FEAR of what they really stand for or 'CLAIMED' what they stood for when it comes to standing up and being proud in many freedom/firearm issues?!

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    What is it about gun critics and the 'Wild West?'
    I dunno, but it so happens I've been enjoying a lot of those old Westerns on a local lo-power channel and not that movies reflect reality, but it's kind of interesting to watch those (staged, of course) knock-down, drag-out fights with chairs being busted over people's heads, etc, and nobody pulls their guns.

    They lose them in the scuffles sometimes (Tom Mix seemed to do that a lot) and they'd magically re-appear in the next cut, but they don't draw very often. And if they do, it's usually the guy in the black hat who does it.

    So, not that movies reflect reality, but it does reflect a different kind of attitude in the movie-makers back then when the Code of the West was the Code of the West and the Cowboy Code was still valid.

    Anyhow, that's how this romantic olde phart feels about it.

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    Bambi convinced them that deer speak to rabbits and are nice while hunters are evil. If a Disney cartoon from 1942 has that much effect on people who haven't even seen it then imagine what the sound lots of Hollywood have done to the perceptions of the functionally illiterate. Why read history books when you can put a tape in the vcr or a disk in the idiot box and see first hand what a bunch of blood thirsty morons populated the wild wild west.

    Do I dare say that the socialists in the education system and their revisionst history may have been partly responsible.....nah, a teacher would never lie to his or her students.
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    What is it about gun critics and the 'Wild West?'

    It baffles me as well. When just about all the gun play Wyatt Earp experienced in his 80-year-long life can be included in about a 2 1/2 hour movie about his life, it puts it back into perspective. That comes to less than .0003% of his life when you figure most of the movie dealt with other stuff.

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    If I may,I'll repeat this post from last October about the fallacy of the 'Wild West'.

    http://thehighroad.us/showthread.php...st#post5179653



    Here is an interesting article dispelling the "Wild West" myth.

    A sample:

    In his book, Frontier Violence: Another Look, author W. Eugene Hollon, provides us with these astonishing facts:

    In Abilene, Ellsworth, Wichita, Dodge City, and Caldwell, for the years from 1870 to 1885, there were only 45 total homicides. This equates to a rate of approximately 1 murder per 100,000 residents per year. In Abilene, supposedly one of the wildest of the cow towns, not a single person was killed in 1869 or 1870.
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    Zooming forward over a century to 2007, a quick look at Uniform Crime Report statistics shows us the following regarding the aforementioned gun control “paradise” cities of the east:

    DC – 183 Murders (31 per 100,000 residents) New York – 494 Murders (6 per 100,000 residents) Baltimore – 281 Murders (45 per 100,000 residents) Newark – 104 Murders (37 per 100,000 residents)
    It doesn’t take an advanced degree in statistics to see that a return to “wild west” levels of violent crime would be a huge improvement for the residents of these cities.

    The truth of the matter is that the “wild west” wasn’t wild at all … not compared to a Saturday night in Newark.

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    Catherine wrote:
    You have so called 'open carry advocates' that are NOT for open carry for ALL kinds of firearms and, in fact, do NOT support Open Carry Issues the SAME EXACT WAY that you (Meaning some of you.) and I do, think, support, carry and endorse from a to z!

    You see this on many GUN forums including Open Carry and Conceal Carry Forums and in 'real life' OFF the net.

    In other words, they may SAY and WRITE one thing but when it comes down to it - they are NOT fully supporting the 'Second' the way that I do and they do NOT fully support OPEN CARRY and other firearm/freedom issues the way that I do there too.

    These people and many of their organizations are coming out of the CLOSET and you can see where they REALLY stand in firearm, freedom and in many other POLITICAL issues too. Many of them turned out to be something that I NEVER thought that they would be ON and OFF the internet in firearm and freedom issues. It is pathetic! Can you say 'chickens' for FEAR of what they really stand for or 'CLAIMED' what they stood for when it comes to standing up and being proud in many freedom/firearm issues?!

    I'm not quite getting what you are trying to say, here, Catherine.

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    The actual reason is they perceive the "wild west" to be a primitive and long irrelevant time period in stark contrast to the sophistication and progress of the modern era of urbanization and civilization.

    They fail to realize many people do still live in remote areas rather than high-population-density suburbs and cities.

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    The "wild west" comparison has even tainted the opinions around the world . When I was a kid back in the late 1980;s some friends of mine thought they wanted to be skinheads. They found a telephone number to a guy named Ian Stuart that lived in Camden England . Ian had a whitepower band called Skrewdriver. Ian was reffered to as the "father of hate". Although he didnt start racism he was always associated with it. The lyrics to the songs he wrote would scare the hell out of anyone on this board . I mean it he was scary and he looked even scarier. My buddies called him at his residence to talk with him b/c they were such big fans . Turns out he was terrified of Americans b/c we all had guns. He was very interested in finding out we all rode around on horses and had regular gun fights in the streets. I couldnt believe it when they told me this . So thats how a lot of other countries see us like it or not.

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    That's a silly thing for Ian to believe. Lotta times in a gunfight, the horse just gets in the way.

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    yes it does . Thats why we tie them up down the street before the gun fight.

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    Make mine a nice big riding mule and I wouldn't even need a gun, just let him do the fighting.
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    The Wild West and the Code of the West is a bunch of hype begun by Ned Buntline, Zane Grey, and later copy cat writers.

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    Cowboys in the wild west are just about the only people who carry guns around in public as a matter of course in the American historical imagination.

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    In Abilene, Ellsworth, Wichita, Dodge City, and Caldwell, for the years from 1870 to 1885, there were only 45 total homicides. This equates to a rate of approximately 1 murder per 100,000 residents per year. In Abilene, supposedly one of the wildest of the cow towns, not a single person was killed in 1869 or 1870.

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    Zooming forward over a century to 2007, a quick look at Uniform Crime Report statistics shows us the following regarding the aforementioned gun control “paradise” cities of the east:

    DC – 183 Murders (31 per 100,000 residents) New York – 494 Murders (6 per 100,000 residents) Baltimore – 281 Murders (45 per 100,000 residents) Newark – 104 Murders (37 per 100,000 residents)
    It doesn’t take an advanced degree in statistics to see that a return to “wild west” levels of violent crime would be a huge improvement for the residents of these cities.

    The truth of the matter is that the “wild west” wasn’t wild at all … not compared to a Saturday night in Newark.
    Of course, one could make the observation that the modern cities mentioned above all have some of the most restrictive gun laws on the planet, including the fact that none are in "shall issue" territory.

    This would be an oversimplification, however. A lot of things contribute to the current violence in Eastern urban areas... poverty, population density, and a totally different moral code (if you can even call it that) than was prevalent in the latter half of the 19th and early 20th century.
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    I liked the comment to the WSJ article by Karl Denninger:
    So then police officers should carry their weapons concealed?

    After all, there's no reason to carry them openly other than hunting, right? You aren't really suggesting that cops are HUNTING the citizens, are you?
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    The only thing most anti-gunners know about guns is what they learn from popular fiction--Wild West and gangster movies--most if which is pure fantasy. (Which is why they were so quick to embrace Michael Bellesiles (snark, snark)).

    Watched a rerun of "Lawn Odor" yesterday where the persecutor went after a "vigilantee" who had "taken the law into his own hands" by pursuing a murderer who had taken a hostage. This was just after the news that New Yorkers had walked by a man bleeding to death and did not "get involved". If you have it drummed into your head that you are a vigilantee for defending yourself, that you are doing a job properly left to cop, why care about strangers?

    I suspect that antigunners enjoy revenge movies like "Death Wish" or "The Brave One" more than most of us on this forum, then turn around and do a Freudian projection and purge their guilty pleasure by calling for wacoizing those evil "gunnuts".
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    Obviously, the "Wild West" refers to Dodge City or Tombstone from TV and the movies, where you couldn't go an hour without a gunfight. The real stats about real crime rates will never overcome the "truth" told us by Marshall Matt Dillon and The Rifleman.

    However, many of those "Wild West" towns had anti-gun laws that would make Chicago or The District of Columbia proud.
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    Well, I live in the "wild west" and carry every day. Strangely enough, no gunfights so far.
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    I'm wester than you TP, and no gunfights this month either. It's gettin' real close to downright boring here. Nuthin' ta do but set around and watch the carrots grow...

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    Nuthin' ta do but set around and watch the carrots grow...
    Sounds like paradise. As the old Chinese curse goes, may you live in interesting times. I like it when things aren't "interesting".
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    About all that I can grow here is old.
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    230RN makes a good point: a lot of what people believe about the Old West came from movies made in the early 1900s. Most people are unaware that 1/5 - 1/3 of the actual cowboys (i.e worked with and tended cattle) were African-Americans, not because there were no Black cowboys, but because the movies were made while society had a racist Weltaunschauung and did not portray them. The portrayal of rampant violence and affray is a lot more exciting than the boredom and back-breaking labor of every day life. One may safely assume that the slums of the big cities of the time were more dangerous than most Western areas. "Gangs of New York" aside, the Dickensian drudgery of the Industrial East makes a less interesting story than the exaggerations of the dime novels and their cinematic equivalents.

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    there wasnt welfare in the "wild west" and as a result far less crime than libtards believe in today.

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