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    REAL pistol weight

    Okay, I'm sick to death of the manufacturer listing for pistol weights.
    1) There's definitely some bias in the quest to claim the "lightest" pistol
    2) They always list 'em empty. Who carries an empty pistol?

    Let's break out the scales and measure (to the nearest ounce) the REAL weight of some common pistols.

    The Rules
    1) List the make/model
    2) The gun must be loaded to maximum capacity (full mag +1 in chamber if applicable).
    3) Then weigh it and list the weight in ounces (just to be consistent).

    I'll start us off with a few....

    NAA Mini Master .22 Magnum - 11.0

    Bersa Thunder 380 Concealed Carry - 20.5

    CZ-82/83 (9mm Makarov) - 30.0

    CZ-52 - 36.5

    Ruger Security Six (4 Stainless) - 38.0

    Browning Buckmark Camper (with Red Dot Sight) - 39.0

    SIG P229 (.40 S&W) - 39.5

    Charles Daly 1911 - 45.5

    CZ-75B (.40 S&W) - 46.0

    Tanfoglio Witness 10mm - 51.5
    (Great Maker...over 3 lbs...no wonder I don't carry this one!)
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    What bullet weights?

    How did you get these weights? Off a postal scale or something?

    Always included in a pistol weight is a holster weight, unless you are using Mexican carry. Seems like that should be included too. Of course they vary all over the map. Too bad there is no way to factor that in. Maybe some representative weights for different type holsters for different sized guns?

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    You know Spectre, if the mood ever strikes you to sell that 10MM...
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    I've often wondered the same thing about manufacturers listing empty weight of guns rather than full.

    If they were going to be really lame they could say choosing different bullet weights would change the loaded weight of the gun, but really? LAME!



    Quick back of envelope calculation:
    Difference between loaded weight of a G22 (16 rnds of 40 S&W) with 140 grn and 180 grn bullets.

    40 gr difference/bullet X 16 bullets = 640 gr

    7000 gr/pound

    1.46 oz difference between weight loaded with 180 grn and 140 grn bullets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeSpectre
    (Great Maker...over 3 lbs...no wonder I don't carry this one!)
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    I was just about to say that...watching Bab5 on theWB right now...
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    Heh, lots of discussion but nobody else is posting any weights!

    Paul47 - It's a salter precision 11 lb "kitchen" scale.

    GoWolfpack - I had quite a job to GET that 10mm, I think I'm going to hang on to it.

    Arrogant Bastard (and armoredman) - Yes a Bab5 fan, but also a Deiest (which is where JMS got that from in the first place).
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    2) They always list 'em empty. Who carries an empty pistol?
    Who manufactures a loaded pistol?
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    So I'm taking all of these replies to mean that nobody wants to play.
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    I've never been sure what difference a few ounces make. When I carry a 1911, it's an all-steel gov't. Get a good holster, and anything that weighs less than a DE is easy to support, IMHO. Bulk is the bigger limitation on CC.

    For pocket carry, that's where a few ounces can make a big difference. I'd never put a Ruger SP101 in my pocket, but the 342 rides well!

    I remember being concerned for one hunting trip that my rifle wasn't a couple of pounds lighter, until a (well-meaning?) hunting buddy said, "If that's such a big concern, why don't you lose 10 lbs?"

    And if you don't want a heavy 10mm, get a Gock 29 with 135 grainers, already! Sheesh!

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    I'd play, but I don't have any scales. Thanks for posting those weights though, it's a great thread idea.
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    Kel Tec PF9 18.8oz Federal HydraShok 135gr JHP

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    I'm successfully daily-carrying something with a factory weight rating of 42oz. Add half a dozen 125gr 357Mags in there, plus my "Hacksite", I guess I'm near 44oz?

    I'm a big guy, but this feels like I'm "near the ragged edge" of what's practical for me.
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    Springfield XD45 Service: 41 oz

    Colt pre 80 Combat Commander: 42.5 @ 7+1

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    I'm successfully daily-carrying something with a factory weight rating of 42oz. Add half a dozen 125gr 357Mags in there, plus my "Hacksite", I guess I'm near 44oz?

    I'm a big guy, but this feels like I'm "near the ragged edge" of what's practical for me.
    I'm a little guy (5-10 160) and I carry a .357 Blackhawk 4 3/4" every day all day.

    I dunno what it weighs exactly, but I got used to it and hardly notice most of the time.
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    Ruger SR9 w/18 147gr 9mm: 35.336 oz
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    Ze,

    I'm just foolin. I was very irresponsible last year and passed on a Witness Elite Match in 10MM at a good price. I hope one day I'll make up for my misdeed and find another one.

    I don't have a scale suited to small weights, what do you think might happen if I walked into a post office and asked them to weigh my gun for me?
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    Oz? What's an oz? Can't you guys stick to SI units

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    Springfield XDm 40 16 + 1 (who cares about bullet weight or holster weight)

    2lb 8oz

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    Can't you guys stick to SI units
    I used grains--that's SI, right?

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    I don't have a scale suited to small weights, what do you think might happen if I walked into a post office and asked them to weigh my gun for me?
    Somehow I just don't think that'd work too well.

    XDm...heavier than I thought.
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    REAL pistol weight
    Browning BDA 11 rounds of BB FMJ 28oz

    S&W 4566 9 rounds of FMJ(230gr) 48oz

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeSpectre View Post
    XDm...heavier than I thought.
    Breakdown on parts according to my shipping scale.
    17 Rounds 180 gr. - 4447.2 grains
    XDm magazine - 1311.7
    Lower - 3472.2
    Barrel/spring/guide rod - 2237.6
    Upper - 6018.6

    Total 17487.3 grains or 2.49 lbs.

    For those that think it matters. The ammo is Winchester Ranger 180 gr. and the holster is a factory XDm that weighs 1466 grains

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    "...They always list 'em empty..." That is the weight of the pistol. Use your head.
    "...Who carries an empty pistol?..." Who sell's a loaded pistol?

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    I'm not clear on why this is a concern at all. After all, "most" of us carry spare mags and quick loaders for the revolvers, anyhow, right?

    Sure, you can use the spare loads for "counterweighting" on the opposite side, but why be that concerned with the "real weight" of a gun when the accessories (mags, speedloaders) are substantial anyhow.

    Just for the heck of it, I used a precision AWS electronic balance to weigh:

    8-rd .45ACP full mag, 230gr hardball, 8.51 oz

    7-rd .45CP GI full mag, 200gr HPs, 7.63 oz

    6-rd HKS loaded speedloader (forgot bullet weight, but I think they're 158-grainers), 3.49 oz.

    5-rd HKS loaded speedloader, 125gr HPs, 2.87 oz.

    So, ummm....

    ...what?

    Kinda smacks of adding in the weight of your S&W gun lock key on your key ring to obtain the "real" weight of a gun.

    Sorry, but all this just seemed kind of "meh!" to me.

    Oh, and speaking of the "other accessories" which add to the carry weight of a gun, the S&W key weighs 0.105 oz, and the Uncle Mike's holster for my .45 weighs 3.71 oz.

    Now there's some significant data for the "real" weight of a gun to add to the list.

    Terry, 230RN
    Last edited by 230RN; July 17th, 2010 at 11:58 AM.

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