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    "American Guns", another retarded reality show

    Been watching for 5 minutes. This is retarded. Dude is arguing with his wife after she sold a Colt 1911, a training class, etc. and a customization to make it pink.

    My complaints:
    1. Its "reality" TV which somehow involves more drama than a soap opera. In the reality I live in with my friends and coworkers, we have fun with our lives and don't argue all the time. We're also polite to strangers and can conduct business calmly.
    2. Husband and wife run the business apparently. I find it embarrassing and tasteless to argue with my wife about even the most minor household business in front of family, never mind in public. It is shameful to conduct yourself in this way on national television.
    3. Reinforcing the "cool black gun is mans gun" or "pretty pink gun is womans gun" stereotypes. At the end of the day its a matter of taste, if *your* gun (or car or art or whatever) works for you and makes you happy and doesn't harm me, then good for you. I may still have my own opinions but some people get wound up way too tight about matters of taste.
    4. A good colorization job on a pistol isn't hard or expensive. Unless it was quoted too low, you should be happy you made a sale. Detail strip the 1911, degrease it, do a good duracode or colorization and cash the check. Do your job or watch the money go to another shop.

    So yea. Don't waste your time with this show, its just as bad as that Red Guns or Sons of Guns or whatever it is. Its not about skilled craftsmen and interesting projects, its about "reality".

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    Meh....

    What did you expect? A bunch of normal people on TV would be boring.

    As far as I'm concerned, anything portraying gun owners in a good (or not bad) light is a good thing, even if it is a baby step.

    Take solace in the fact that the Brady campaign is reeling from shows like these becoming mainstream.

    Also, I thought Sons of Guns was pretty good. They were always good to their clients and seemed to run their shop well. Ofcourse the bull-****ted when not in the store front but that IS what normal folks do.... At least as far as I saw when I managed to catch a show.

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    I haven't seen that show, but as far as gun-related reality shows, I really like "Top Shot".

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    Wink

    The gals - especially the younger one - are easy to look at. Otherwise, a waste of time.... Although they seem to deal in guns that "you and I" could buy v.s. the NFA-ish stuff that "Sons" build.

    Stephanie, btw, is kinda cute, too.... Paige is very good looking, but seems a little out of it.

    WTH, I'm 65. Doesn't take much to at least look nice.

    I don't like "Top Shot".... "Survivor" with guns.... Mostly because being a seriously good shooter with a 1911 doesn't necessarily make you any good with a revolver. I don't like the "shoot it out of their hands" implications.

    (The public image that says that those of us with solid experience should be able to "shoot to wound" and stuff like that.)

    That said, whatever discomfits the Brady's makes me happy....

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    What can you do, Gun Ownership went mainstream.

    I've watched the shows, and while I don't particularly like the drama, some of the stuff they make is kinda neat.

    Another plus is that it shows guns for what they are. Guns are just things, they have no will of their own, and are neither good or evil.
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    None of these shows are good for gun owners.
    They all portray gun people as ignorant yahoo's.

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    None of these shows are good for gun owners.
    They all portray gun people as ignorant yahoo's
    Yahoo's what?


    Perhaps that is true, but at least they're being shown as ignorant yahoos who are using guns to have a good time a make a living, not do violence to others with.

    In the entire series of these new gun-related reality shows I haven't seen guns used to physically harm or threaten anybody. How many tv shows are there that don't feature guns at all unless someone has been shot?
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    I haven't seen the show yet, but it looks like it's about a place that combines gun sales and smithery with a Hooters dress code. That seems like a pretty good business model.

    Shows like this are not bad for gun owners or sellers. Local pawn shops seem to be a little busier after "Pawn Stars" and its imitators.
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    Pawn Stars (available on Netflix) actually showed gun owners in a very good light, and showed how much fun collecting and shooting guns can be. The owner of the pawn store obviously loves guns and the show treated them very seriously. Also got to see some very handsome and wonderful firearms on the show.

    It might also keep someone from unthinkingly turning granpa's ol' gun in the attic over to a supposed gun buyback without at least checking its true value.

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    a place that combines gun sales and smithery with a Hooters dress code. That seems like a pretty good business model.
    Yeah that's about it.

    TV is drama. Drama in real life is made up. Nobody has that much of it and holds it together.

    Sons of guns used to get me all worked up, then I realized something...Take it for entertainment. You're never going to see straight serious reality on network TV, just isn't happening.

    This is the same thing, but with better looking females, a nicer storefront and lots of 1911s. Overlook the dopey made up drama and it's watchable.
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    Semi-reality shows are getting too much air time, for me. I'd like to see shooting competitions televised like NASCAR or other major league sports. Not just a couple of guys whispering in a blind waiting to shoot a bovine of some type. Building and shooting custom race guns. Without all the shouting about what someone did wrong, I can live a fine life without.

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    Pawn Stars (available on Netflix) actually showed gun owners in a very good light, and showed how much fun collecting and shooting guns can be. The owner of the pawn store obviously loves guns and the show treated them very seriously. Also got to see some very handsome and wonderful firearms on the show.

    It might also keep someone from unthinkingly turning granpa's ol' gun in the attic over to a supposed gun buyback without at least checking its true value.
    Pawn Stars is very enthusiastically pro gun and your last paragraph makes an excellent point.

    My sons and grandsons and myself all watch the show and we too enjoy the enthusiasm shown towards guns,old and new.

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    Listening to Rich rhapsodize about a Semi-Auto AutoOrdnance TM1 carbine version of the WWII Thompson M1 as a Prohibition Era John Dillinger "Tommy Gun" kinda blew his credibility out of the water with me.

    I own a TM1. A modern day replica in memory of "Saving Private Ryan" maybe, but not a gangster era gun by any stretch.
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    Uh, was that Rich Wyatt on the news as a gun identification expert on the White House shooting?
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    Saw the show again the other night - the diamond-encrusted 1911....

    Paige is still cute, but I hate to say it, appears to be an armed airhead. Little girl with 1911 is good for our image, maybe, but she reminds me of the space cadet that sold my daughter her latest cellphone. Needed help finding her office each morning....

    Carl: I didn't notice that "identification" thing, but who knows? He probably would be qualified - especially if hired by the media ....

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    I saw part of one show.

    Guy comes in with a "Clenet" auto, a 1970's imitation of a 1930's Rolls or Mercedes. (http://www.clenetcorner.com/)

    He wanted to make it a "James Bond" car - already had switches installed on the dash for oil slick, smoke screen . . . and machine guns.

    Well, he wanted a gun installed. Didn't do the machine gun, so they mounted a stainless PPK up front under the bumper. Guy was quoted around 8 or 10 grand (plus the cost of the PPK) for the install.

    I'm sure there are more asinine ways to spend your money, but I'd have to think a bit before coming up with one.
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    At least these guys build not NFA stuff, and I'd never thought I'd see the day where a gun forum hated something worse than Sons of Guns.
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    Too bad they couldn't get the guy that owns Don's Guns in Indianapolis. After he managed to sink his speedboat with the three M-60's attached he really needs another outlet for his stupidity. Although I think he's retired cause I don't see his ads on TV anymore.

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    Paige is simply the Paris Hilton (dog and all) of the gun world.

    It's kind of sweet actually.

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    If they did more non-NFA things, I'd like Sons of Guns better, but they're definitely trying to dramatize the shop for TV...

    American Guns is... I don't know what to make of it... the guy certainly isn't hurting for money, since one episode had him flying his own personal helicopter to visit a client that wanted to sell a collection... I dunno though, it's just weird with some of the things they've done.

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    AFS:

    Paige is cute, though....

    Gotta be something else around town, though, OC'ing a 1911 with a dog under her arm.

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    We don't need these new "Reality" gun shows. We used to have Mail Call and the other R. Lee Ermey shows. Those shows were informative, entertaining, and rather free of drama.

    A show that showcased new firearms, tech, and strategies would be much better. Throw in some light humor here and there, too. I think it would be a winner.
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    Gotta be something else around town, though, OC'ing a 1911 with a dog under her arm.
    Don't laugh, as the dog is probably the only one who could pass the class!
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    Smile

    Jamie:

    Probably.... I have a soft spot for small dogs and little girls who have problems spelling "dog".... Guess "Gun Porn" really fits here .... (Renee's not bad looking either, nor is Stephanie from "Sons". I'm old enough that "breathing" almost makes the cut .)

    However, mikitsubizunizu really has a point. Both shows seem to generally operate at a level that most of us can't get to - NFA for the "Sons" crowd, and the helo for "American Guns", as well as the huge sums of money being tossed around. Are they trying to make a point that us gun folks are rich nut cases or something? ("Sons" has a lot of LE clientele, which is OK, but I don't see the emphasis on "the average person can't buy this stuff"....)

    Had a buddy of mine show me a picture of an FN57 the other night, with the comment that "these things are illegal because they fire armor-piercing ammunition." Not totally a gun guy, but convincing him that the whole issue was over ammunition that's not generally available (and only to LE) was interesting.

    IMHO, these shows are relatively cheap to produce, seem to generate an audience (hey, look at us ) and at least don't show us in too bad a light. Could be done better, but it's not Michael Moore lying....

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