Canada ends long-gun registry!

[Zipperhead]

The linky....
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/02...-gun-registry/

Public Safety Minister Vic Toews told reporters Wednesday, hours before the vote, that the government’s actions are long overdue.

“It does nothing to help put an end to gun crimes, nor has it saved one Canadian life,” he said. “It criminalizes hard-working and law-abiding citizens such as farmers and sport shooters, and it has been a billion-dollar boondoggle left to us by the previous Liberal government.”

Yeeeeeee Haaaawwww!


Zip

[Johnny Dollar]

Great news for our northern neighbors.

“It does nothing to help put an end to gun crimes, nor has it saved one Canadian life,

The handgun registry has been around since 1934. According to the RCMP,it hasn't saved a life or even solved a crime in 78 years.

It should be next for the dustbin.

[mikitsubizunizu]

I just about collapsed from excitement!

[RecoilRob]

I share in the excitement of our Brothers to the North! Sounds like you have elected some good people to run things. Now....we just have to follow your lead down here

That really is happy news and I'll be all bubbly for the rest of the evening. Thanks!

[Loosedhorse]

It is a pitifully small step. But sometimes, common sense can be extremely contagious. We can be hopeful.

[Lanius]

In other news.. they propose widespread warrantless net snooping plans.


Beaver Conservatives: never consistent on civil liberties!

[BritishHistorian]

Been waiting and hoping for that news for a while!

Yes, its a pitifully small step in one sense: in another sense, its huge: a modern Western nation that isn't the USA has taken a step back from the path of civilian disarmament and prohibitory weapons control. Is there another example of that in the last 50 years?

If Canada can reign in their rampant politically-correct anti-free speech movement, they may be finally moving back to where they used to be: not the USA, but displaying a far greater comprehension of their heritage of limited government and "leave to live by no mans leave, underneath the law" (Kipling) than the Mother Country has in the last 50 years...

[Carl N. Brown]

It does nothing to help put an end to gun crimes, nor has it saved one ... life. It criminalizes hard-working and law-abiding citizens such as farmers and sport shooters, and it has been a billion-dollar boondoggle left to us by the previous ... government.”

My thoughts about most gun control laws since the 1960s.

Liberal justice minister Allan Rock: “I came to Ottawa last year with the firm belief that the only people in Canada who should have firearms are police officers and the military.”

And to gun control advocates with that mindset on both sides of the border, "reasonable" "commonsense" gun control is ever-constricting restrictions and prohibitions on private ownership. Be forewarned and be heartened by the experience of Canada with their long gun registry.

[Nickotym]

Too bad they used it to confiscate some of the long guns first.

Link courtesy of Catherine: http://www.torontosun.com/2012/01/12...r-rifle-owners

[ThrottleJockey]

YES!!! There is a slight bit of hope for the canucks after all. I can't wait to see what the flip side is though. Nothing is free, there's going to be some sort of trade off.

[ConstitutionCowboy]

We could use some of that common sense here.

Woody

[BritishHistorian]

A moment of caution before we open the champagne (or the Seagrams ;-) - reading the full article shows the vote has passed in the House of Commons: it still has to pass the Senate. Yes, the Conservatives have a majority in the Senate and the Liberals have said they won't try to filibuster it. But 3-5 months is a long time in politics, This is a Parliamentary system, not a Republican system: its very unlikely, but not totally impossible that the entire Canadian government could change in that time.

[1911 guy]

Good news, let's hope it continues its way through parliment to passage.

[Carl N. Brown]

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...john-r-lott-jr
John R. Lott Jr. & Gary Mauser, "Canada sank $2.7 billion into a pointless project", National Review, 20 Feb 2012.

Canada 2003 to 2009 had 4,257 homicides, of which 1,314 were with firearms (all types). The firearm was ID'd in less than 1/3 of cases. Of ID'd firearms, 3/4 were unregistered. Of the registered firearms, a total of 62 were registered in the name of the accused. Even in those 62, conviction did not hinge on registration data. Most of these were handguns.

In the history of the long gun (rifle and shotgun) registry, a total of 3 (three) long guns were traced to the accused in murder cases. The trace information was of minor importance in prosecuting the crime, and of little or no importance in solving the crime. The registry was also promoted in the name of "officer safety" but no policeman was ever killed with a registered gun. Think about it: checking a gun registry before approaching a house on a disturbance call will not detect the presence of unregistered guns.

The Canadian long gun registry cost $2.7 billion dollars over 17 years. For $2.7 billion dollars, Lott estimates Canada could have had an additional ~2,300 full time policemen on patrol for those 17 years, which would prevent about1,800 violent crimes per year.

[pmeisel]

The Canadian long gun registry cost $2.7 billion dollars over 17 years. For $2.7 billion dollars, Lott estimates Canada could have had an additional ~2,300 full time policemen on patrol for those 17 years, which would prevent about1,800 violent crimes per year.

That's a significant amount of money in Canada. OTOH our congress can waste more, faster, easily.

[Zipperhead]

OTOH our congress can waste more, faster, easily.

And they prove it every single day.

Zip

[rodregier]

Canadian Bill C-19 became actual law 06-Apr-2012 00:01 hrs Eastern.

The Canadian long gun registry is toast (except in Quebec). Quebec launched a legal challenge to force retention of the records so they can create a provincial registry.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/04...harper-tories/

I personally doubt the legal basis of their arguments, but it will likely drag thru the courts for a while, likely including the Supreme Court of Canada.

Various Quebec-only injunctions will be floating around about continuing the registry in Quebec only and retention of the records until the Quebec challenge is concluded.

It's only taken 17 years to acheive this milestone. It's a good first step, but much more needs to be accomplished in Canada...

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/index-eng.htm

Changes to the Canadian Firearms Program

On April 5, 2012, Bill C-19, Ending the Long-Gun Registry Act, came into effect. The key changes are as follows:

•Removal of the requirement to register non-restricted firearms
•Destruction of the existing non-restricted firearms registration records
•Allowing the transferor of a non-restricted firearm to obtain confirmation of a transferee’s firearms acquisition licence prior to the transfer being finalized
Until further notice, due to a Court Order issued by the Quebec Superior Court, residents of Quebec are still required to register non-restricted firearms with the RCMP Canadian Firearms Program.

It is important to note that the new law does not change the requirement for all individuals to hold a licence in order to possess a firearm. The licensing, safety training and safe storage requirements for anyone who uses or owns a firearm continue to be in force.

The legislation also does not impact registration requirements for restricted or prohibited firearms.

[CIA_ran_9/11]

Beaver Conservatives: never consistent on civil liberties!

Kinda like American "conservatives": sometimes pro gun and then create a nazi style federal dictatorship after 9.11 (which was a false flag event created by the only organs of power that benefited from 9.11, i.e. the federal "government").

[Carl N. Brown]

In an ideal world, the instigators of that 17-year, 2.7 billion dollar boondoogle would be sued to recover lost taxpayer dollars shoveled down that rat hole, and the die hards in Quebec who wish to continue a useless expensive policy would undergo a mandatory mental examination.

[JERRY]

now if our Canadien bretheren can get permits of some sorts to carry for defense.........

[IA_farmboy]

now if our Canadien bretheren can get permits of some sorts to carry for defense.........

Agreed. I do believe they need to free themselves from the handgun registry first. IIRC, to get a handgun in Canada they have to go through a process similar to what we in the USA have to go through to get a NFA item. Getting a handgun in Canada is like getting a machine gun in the USA.

[rodregier]

Federally Canada is a "could" issue jurisdiction for defensive carry of firearms in urban public. It's a State secret if any such permits have *ever* actually been issued. There is also no official form for making such application. A Bureaucracy runs on forms, which will tell you something... The "rulebook" used by the bureaucrats who determine if anyone would get such a permit specifies that the applicable policing agency has to sign off that they can't respond in a reasonable time, and the police have to confirm that the applicant has an active death threat extant before an application can be considered. Know of any policing agencies that will attest to poor response times?

Rather high bar to pass...

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There is a variant of such that is in play for "wilderness" carry/professions (trappers, miners in bear territory, etc) which does have some permits issued. The locations in question probably have half-day or greater policing response times, and the implicit purpose is for protection from wildlife (not 2-legged predators).

[rodregier]

BTW, IA_farmboy's observation about handgun acquisition/possession/usage status in Canada compared to NFA stuff in the USA is valid as far as I understand both processes.

The painful part is a number of the "cosmetically challenged semi-auto long guns" also are classified in the same category as handguns in Canada, incl the AR15 pattern rifles.

OTOH, other "cosmetically attractive semi-auto long guns" are just normal hunting firearms in Canada, such as the Mini-14, M1A clones, Garands or the current Browning model 7600's.

I could tell you the alleged story of how the classifications were arrived at, but you probably wouldn't believe me :-) Hint - bureaucrats with little knowledge of firearms and a copy of the Gun Digest photos were involved...

[Johnny Dollar]

I would believe you. With these Reds,all bad things are possible.

[rodregier]

Ok Johnny, you twisted my rubber arm...

http://www.nfa.ca/resource-items/sta...city-magazines

n.b. The Canadian NFA is a pro-gun-rights organization like the US NRA, JPFO, SAF etc.

Extract:

"The Department of Justice is characterized by arrogance, ignorance and incompetence. When the NFA requested, through the Access to Information Act, data on how firearms were chosen for Kim Campbell's lists (that later became Rock's lists), one of the things we received was hilariously funny.

Looking at their lists before our Access to Info data came in, no one could see any rational pattern at all. One of us speculated that they had gone through the Gun Digest and put tick marks next to every picture of a firearm that "looked nasty."

When the data arrived, it contained photocopies of pages from the Gun Digest, with an "X" next to every firearm that "looked nasty."

Wouldn't it be nice if our Department of Justice had a clue? If the Minister of Justice was competent? If the Liberal Party was not attacking the entire firearms community?"