A fine compliment,Selena,which I Will (pun) ,not take lightly.*sigh* I know better than to make esoteric references around you.
A fine compliment,Selena,which I Will (pun) ,not take lightly.*sigh* I know better than to make esoteric references around you.
"A man's got to know his limitations"
'Harry Callahan' Magnum Force 1973
Yes, I caught the pun and can see the why. I can't help but wonder if I snuck Kipling in if you would start being Rude.A fine compliment,Selena,which I Will (pun) ,not take lightly.
“Fairy tales do not tell children that dragons exist. Children already know that dragons exist. Fairy tales tell children that dragons can be killed.”
- G. K. Chesterton
Have you ever swam N meters underwater, holding your breath?Waterboarding? I'm not sure that it is torture.
Have you ever been drowning?
(where N is 50% more than you are comfortable with)
Then tell me. The feeling you get after the oxygen in your bloodstream is used up is extremely uncomfortable.
It's not pain, but it's equally awful. In fact, pain is better, because pain releases endorphins, but this doesn't release anything, it's just a really awful feeling.
[Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains.]
You can't be serious? What business is it of yours or mine what someone chooses to do or not do in the privacy of their bedroom. If a man or a woman chooses to not marry or to not follow other societal norms, why is it anyone else's business? So by your reasoning every good looking unmarried, childless man is also "broken"? Or does that standard only apply to women?I have a deep suspicion of reasonably good looking unmarried women with no children. Really I do. There is usually something broken there..
One can read the Foreword and introdcution of "Negores with Guns" HERE
@xl_target
I have a 'suspicion' their character is off. That they have some huge flaw that prevents them from doing the natural thing.
Having a family and children are not societal but species norms. I heartily approve of that decision in people who are not impressive, for obvious reasons though.If a man or a woman chooses to not marry or to not follow other societal norms, why is it anyone else's business?
Not really. Men are expendable..in fact, were technology not progressing so far I'd be advocating ..So by your reasoning every good looking unmarried, childless man is also "broken"?
[Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains.]
Norms that differ vary widely based on economic circumstances and social situations over the last three centuries. So widely that in fact I think your observation is useless if not wrong.Having a family and children are not societal but species norms.
Time prevents deeper discussion but consider the differences just between Ireland and the upper classes of England, and Americans of working class, in the 19th century.
Paul
People have some respect for the complexity of technology. But almost every ignorant fool thinks he understands money and economics.
Hi XL.
Once again, I feel compelled to point out that he is holding a valid opinion and has a God given right to it. Not matter how unpalatable or ... Hmmm, I'm running out of socially acceptable terms here.You can't be serious?
Here it is, everybody has a God given right to screw up their lives as they see fit. If this person wants to hold such belittling and degrading opinions of 53% of the world's population that's his option. Some men are just plain frightened by intelligent and independent women which is usually the basis for this particular male line of thought. In the end, they are always frustrated as they tend to be even weaker than the women they manage to attract. Que lastima.
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“Fairy tales do not tell children that dragons exist. Children already know that dragons exist. Fairy tales tell children that dragons can be killed.”
- G. K. Chesterton
There is one extant society that chose not to procreate. The Shakers.Norms that differ vary widely based on economic circumstances and social situations over the last three centuries. So widely that in fact I think your observation is useless if not wrong.
Very few of them left.
I wonder why?
[Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains.]
Unpalatable, Selena? Very diplomatic of you.Once again, I feel compelled to point out that he is holding a valid opinion and has a God given right to it. Not matter how unpalatable or ... Hmmm, I'm running out of socially acceptable terms here.
I do have to disagree with with you slightly though. He might have an opinion but I don't know how valid it is. Any opinion based on feelings can't be very valid.
@Selena
Considering that humans are wired for sex and romance and living in pairs, wired means biologically and neurologically inclined to..
Woman who choose not to marry(or have a long-term relationship) have to either lived in a really screwed up society where most males are really unattractive, or they must be screwed up themselves.
That is the general consensus among my family and most people I know in Central Europe.
Consider this essay:
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Reimer.shtml
Reed has married a Mexican woman years ago and is apparently quite happy slowly going blind in Mexico.
@Selena
For the record, I never even invite women who are not smart out. Yes, I'm that awful, all the nice and uncomplicated and loving girls I leave to other men, which leaves me with the good-looking battleaxes, neurotics or mental cases. Everyone who knows me says I'm crazy...
It's not just a 'feeling'. It's based on empirical observation. If a woman is 35, good looking and not married, a divorcee or ex-mental case, there usually is something wrong with her.He might have an opinion but I don't know how valid it is. Any opinion based on feelings can't be very valid.
Like her personality.
[Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains.]
Hi XL,
This 12 step program from Ranters Anonymous is really working.Unpalatable, Selena? Very diplomatic of you.
Are you sure you want to go there? At the risk of being undiplomatic, how many of your opinions on the subject of your mother are based on emotion and how many are valid?He might have an opinion but I don't know how valid it is. Any opinion based on feelings can't be very valid.
“Fairy tales do not tell children that dragons exist. Children already know that dragons exist. Fairy tales tell children that dragons can be killed.”
- G. K. Chesterton
She sounds pretty normal to me.Woman who choose not to marry(or have a long-term relationship) have to either lived in a really screwed up society where most males are really unattractive, or they must be screwed up themselves.
Wiki:Coulter has been engaged several times, but never married.[21] She has dated Spin founder and publisher Bob Guccione, Jr.,[12] and conservative writer Dinesh D'Souza.[49] In October 2007, she began dating Andrew Stein, the former president of the New York City Council, a liberal Democrat. When asked about the relationship, Stein told the paper, "She's attacked a lot of my friends, but what can I say, opposites attract!"[50] On January 7, 2008, however, Stein told the New York Post that the relationship was over, citing irreconcilable differences.[51]
Coulter owns a condominium in Manhattan and a house, bought in 2005, in Palm Beach, Florida. She votes in Palm Beach and is not registered to do so in New York.[52] She is a fan of several jam bands, such as the Grateful Dead, the Dave Matthews Band, and Phish.
A Kodiak Bear Mauling: http://www.amazon.com/A-Kodiak-Bear-...910559&sr=1-13
Now perhaps that's more telling, regarding your opinions on women....Everyone who knows me says I'm crazy...
Of course. They are also frightened by intelligent and independent men.Some men are just plain frightened by intelligent and independent women
Lanius, I will be more impressed by your empirical observation when you have added another 20 years to it.....It's based on empirical observation.
Paul
People have some respect for the complexity of technology. But almost every ignorant fool thinks he understands money and economics.
Duly noted, but men weren't mentioned in the opinion. According to the roles, men are supposed to be independent while a woman is only as good as the man she can manage to attract.Of course. They are also frightened by intelligent and independent men.
“Fairy tales do not tell children that dragons exist. Children already know that dragons exist. Fairy tales tell children that dragons can be killed.”
- G. K. Chesterton
http://www.amazon.com/Negroes-Guns-A...dp/0814327141/
Robert Franklin Williams, Negroes with Guns, Wayne State University, 1998. Timothy B. Tyson (Introduction), Gloria House (Foreword).
A few chapters are available at http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/...eswithguns.pdf
In 1957, the black community of Monroe NC armed themselves against the Ku Klux Klan. They were disowned by the NAACP.
Similar stories are told by Don B. Kates who was involved in the 1960s civil rights movement.Because of the supra-official status of the Klan in Southern life, the laws concerning the carrying and the shooting off of weapons of death are loosely drawn. Williams decided to take advantage of this contradiction. He wrote away to the National Rifle Association in Washington, D.C. for a rifle club charter. He explained that he was a Marine veteran and had organized a group of ex-service men committed to the active preservation of their own, and their country's freedom. This is true, of course, in every respect. The charter was sent with alacrity as it always is to any group making such a request, and no one would have given it a second thought if it had been a group of Southern white men.
I don't suppose that the Rifle Association has received one protest from pacifist, or any other humanitarian groups, in all its years of existence over its encouragement of veterans, to take up arms again and fire them off regularly at the symbolic foe represented by the official targets. But a very curious thing happens, even to liberals, at the thought of a black man having arms in his possession. Their deep and pervading sense of racial guilt suggests to them, fearfully, that the black man has an accumulated moral justification to use them, and probably will.
When it became known that Williams had received such a charter, and had already organized and was thus about to legitimately arm a group of Negro veterans, the white liberals who had supported him as a poet, rejected him as a warrior and ran for cover. There were some few notable exceptions to this, and the police harassment these real patriots underwent, is nearly incredible. All the prophetical qualities the white liberals recognized in Williams, went whirling over the dam of their own racist fears; they practiced, unconsciously, the same sort of denial of basic rights for which they held the White Citizens Council and the Klan in such contempt.
from Truman Nelson, People With Strength. The Story of Monroe, N.C., 37 p., N.Y. Committee to Aid the Monroe Defendants, n.d. (1962 or 1963?).
http://www.old-yankee.com/rkba/pws.html
http://www.amazon.com/Restricting-Ha...dp/0884270335/
Don B. Kates, ed., Restricting Handguns: The Liberal Skeptics Speak Out, North River Press, 1979.
Basic message: the right to keep and bear arms is vital to those whom the system does not choose to protect, and to those who the system actively oppresses.
Cogito me cogitare; ergo, cogito me esse.
Selena, you forgot the red text and the devil faces.According to the roles, men are supposed to be independent while a woman is only as good as the man she can manage to attract.
I can understand why.
Paul
People have some respect for the complexity of technology. But almost every ignorant fool thinks he understands money and economics.
Either that or she could be a strong, independent and self sufficient woman who doesn't need validation from the males in her society. I guess some people are threatened by a woman like that. Very similar to how people felt threatened when Robert Williams decided to defend himself. After all a black man in that day and age wasn't expected to be "uppity" and stand up for himself. It just wasn't done. He was supposed to knuckle under and conform like the rest of his ilk because that's the way it was supposed to be.. You do realize how ignorant that statement sounds when stated that way?Woman who choose not to marry(or have a long-term relationship) have to either lived in a really screwed up society where most males are really unattractive, or they must be screwed up themselves.
That feudal attitude is among the reasons so many people in the day left Europe to come to the United States.That is the general consensus among my family and most people I know in Central Europe.
You have a point Selena. Some thing are best left unsaid in a public forum.Are you sure you want to go there? At the risk of being undiplomatic, how many of your opinions on the subject of your mother are based on emotion and how many are valid?
Next Neanderthal I run into that expects an Aunt Jennifer I can point him to Eastern Europe. Since he wouldn't dare bring her here our country would be rid of him. Sounds like a win-win.That feudal attitude is among the reasons so many people in the day left Europe to come to the United States.
“Fairy tales do not tell children that dragons exist. Children already know that dragons exist. Fairy tales tell children that dragons can be killed.”
- G. K. Chesterton
Coulter is in the business of selling books.
Her outrageous comments are used to do just that.
No different than those hawking snake oils.
Jamie
Greatness lies not in being strong, but in the right use of strength - Henry Ward Beecher
Only in that she once dated dirtbag Bill Maher.Great? Sometimes, but sometimes she is just plain bat**** insane,
Other than that indiscretion, she shines the light of truth
on the lib vampires. They can't stand that.
Validation?Either that or she could be a strong, independent and self sufficient woman who doesn't need validation from the males in her society. I guess some people are threatened by a woman like that.
Love is not about validation.
Fokk that idiotic crap!According to the roles, men are supposed to be independent while a woman is only as good as the man she can manage to attract.
Have I ever said anything like that?
No, I only maintain that people who are so-self centered that they cannot find and keep a partner they can implicitly trust and love are probably unlikeable.
Or very insecure.
Or just asexual, severly autistic or schizoid. That's fine too, but at most 5% of society.
@pmeisel
A lot of it I heard from my mother and her sisters. Whose combined age is 155 or so..Lanius, I will be more impressed by your empirical observation when you have added another 20 years to it.....
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[Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains.]
As if republicans were any better..Other than that indiscretion, she shines the light of truth
on the lib vampires. They can't stand that.
[Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains.]
That's not empirical observation. That's passed on folk wisdom.A lot of it I heard from my mother and her sisters. Whose combined age is 155 or so..
Which has as much value as you place on it.
Relationships, good ones, take some time and effort. Some people of both genders prefer not to invest that time and effort in a relationship, preferring to invest it in their careers or other interests.
Some pursue careers that specifically make lasting relationships difficult, at least for the early parts of those careers.
Those are just legitimate choices.
Paul
People have some respect for the complexity of technology. But almost every ignorant fool thinks he understands money and economics.
Yes. Legitimate choices that greatly increase the chance of dying alone.Relationships, good ones, take some time and effort. Some people of both genders prefer not to invest that time and effort in a relationship, preferring to invest it in their careers or other interests.
Some pursue careers that specifically make lasting relationships difficult, at least for the early parts of those careers.
Those are just legitimate choices.
I have no beef there, but the idea of not having any family is not very appealing to me.
Some people though may find the thought of spending their last moments in the presence of someone who is just doing their job appealing.
Objectivists, possibly.
[Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains.]
I now know if I want valid opinions that I should go to our local elementary school The combined age there is 22,936 years.Lanuis:
A lot of it I heard from my mother and her sisters. Whose combined age is 155 or so..
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No people should have to fear the will of their government; all governments should have to fear the will of their people.
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