Playboy talks protection and ‘baring’ arms

[JohnPierce]

Playboy talks protection and ‘baring’ arms
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The June 2012 edition of Playboy, which hit the newsstands last Friday, features an article by Pat Jordan entitled “Armed & Dangerous: Has Gun Culture Gone Too Far?” In the article, in which I am quoted, Pat discusses the open carry movement and the concerns that some have expressed about gun owners “baring it all.”

Jordan, an admitted concealed carrier and believer in self-defense rights, clearly has a problem with open carry. He stereotypes, generalizes, and often just plain gets it wrong. Despite the fact that I am inordinately proud to have been quoted in Playboy, I feel duty bound to offer a point by point rebuttal to his article.

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[xl_target]

There seem to be many vehement "anti-open carry" members of the gun community.

Most gun owners don't want the Government telling them what they should or shouldn't do with their guns. However, there is a subset of the gun community who insist on telling other gun owners what they should or shouldn't do with their guns.

Personally, while I don't open carry, I support the rights of other legal gun owners to carry their guns however they wish. The hypocritical "I know what's good for you" attitude is what bothers me.

[SMMAssociates]

I hate to admit that I quit reading Playboy many years ago....

Some combination of age and married ....

Never figured them to be all that pro-2A, either.

However, with regard to OC, I'm against it as a "practice", but happy that OH is an Open Carry state, so if I manage to print, or just display, for some reason, there's no problem (helps to be licensed, too, of course).

Dunno what the neighbors would say, and I don't work outside much anyway, but it also means I can take my shirt off ....

That said, it's an individual issue, and up to the guys & gals, not me. I like the idea of people getting used to seeing LAC's with guns like that, but can see the potential problems there, too.

The biggest problem we seem to have in OH is that some LEO's don't know that it's legal to OC, even if you're not licensed.... Been a few problems there....

Regards,

[Old Grump]

However, with regard to OC, I'm against it as a "practice",

And there lies our problem, we not only have to fight the unreasonable prejudices of anti-gun politicians, police, anti-gun activists and anti-gun panty wearing 'guns is bad crowd' we have to fight the stereotypes from the gun community members who believe if you would only do it their way there would be no problems.
"We respect your rights but...................", and then they add all kinds of exceptions if the practice doesn't meet their strict code of decency and decorum. Did you ever wonder where the slippery slope concept came from? This is a small example of how it gets started.

[xl_target]

And there lies our problem, we not only have to fight the unreasonable prejudices of anti-gun politicians, police, anti-gun activists and anti-gun panty wearing 'guns is bad crowd' we have to fight the stereotypes from the gun community members who believe if you would only do it their way there would be no problems.
"We respect your rights but...................", and then they add all kinds of exceptions if the practice doesn't meet their strict code of decency and decorum. Did you ever wonder where the slippery slope concept came from? This is a small example of how it gets started.

To be fair, Old Grump, I think he meant that he is against it personally but he makes it clear he doesn't care what other people do.

I do agree with you though about certain members of the gun community.

[Selena]

"We respect your rights but...................", and then they add all kinds of exceptions if the practice doesn't meet their strict code of decency and decorum. Did you ever wonder where the slippery slope concept came from? This is a small example of how it gets started.

Hi Old Grump,

When you come right down to it... I don't like the idea of concealed carry. I mean it's like you have something to hide. But, I realize there are considerations and personal preferences. In the end, everyone has a God given right to mess up their lives as they see fit and the main duty imposed by freedom is the imposition to allow others to do what you do not particular approve of.

[SMMAssociates]

I much prefer concealed carry.... Keeps the lookie-loos from getting goofy, and can be helpful here in OH where you still have to occasionally run back to the car to disarm before entering someplace or other that you'd otherwise not bother entering in the first place....

I prefer to NOT OC myself....

My objection to others doing it is based on that, and only that. If you prefer to OC, fine. I'm not going to be out there demonstrating against it.... (And if donations are necessary to get you out of the greybar, I'm on that list, too....)

I just don't think it's a very good idea.

Not a "slippery slope" from my viewpoint, at least. I prefer to not OC, but will support you if you do....

The Constitution does not specify how or if we carry. Just that we can.... "Keep and bear arms".....

Regards,

[pmeisel]

"...shall not be infringed..."

To me that means not being required to conceal it, when it's more convenient not -- as with a larger firearm, or when doing something like hunting where having it quick at hand is useful.

It also means not being prohibited from concealing it, either to protect it from the elements, or because it's easy to carry that way, or because one would just as soon not be known to be armed.

What's better? I think that depends on a lot of things including personal factors. Foolish to try to answer for another.

[Tpr0811]

I personally don't OC and that is my right. I will defend your right to OC if you elect to do so. As has been said by many before this "An armed society is a polite society." (Not real sure who said that first.) It really doesn't matter how you carry a weapon, or "Bare" you weapon, it is our 2nd Ammendment Right to do so.

[Loosedhorse]

Would help to read the original article.

Ah, as you say, "just for the articles." That's all.

[pmeisel]

Would help to read the original article.

Yeah, but as far as I can tell, it's not available free on-line, and I elect not to spend any money with that outfit, so I am stuck with the paraphrase.

[Selena]

Would help to read the original article.

Ah, as you say, "just for the articles." That's all.

Don't look at me, I won't allow that trash in my house.

[Old Grump]

Don't look at me, I won't allow that trash in my house.

But Selena, how is the man of the house going to find out about the latest in stereo equipment or what brand of sheets will make you feel like a queen?

Go ahead, my helmet is on, ear muffs in place, visor down and my anti-riot water cannon charged and ready, hit me with your best shot.

[Selena]

But Selena, how is the man of the house going to find out about the latest in stereo equipment or what brand of sheets will make you feel like a queen?

Go ahead, my helmet is on, ear muffs in place, visor down and my anti-riot water cannon charged and ready, hit me with your best shot.

Here

And he would no more buy sheets than a cow would go to McDonalds and order ice cream.

And the precautions are not necessary. I'm the mild-mannered one of the family.

[IA_farmboy]

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And he would no more buy sheets than a cow would go to McDonalds and order ice cream.

And the precautions are not necessary. I'm the mild-mannered one of the family.

I'm not sure that being the mild mannered one in the family is supposed to set anyone at ease. For example, my older brother is the short one in the family. He's shorter than me, my dad, and my other brothers. He's 6'2" tall. That makes him taller than 90% of the US male population.

Without some reference on where your family lies in comparison to the rest of the population I believe Old Grump is wise in taking precautions. In fact I'd suggest finding some steel toed boots and leather gloves to go with the rest of his gear.

[Selena]

Without some reference on where your family lies in comparison to the rest of the population I believe Old Grump is wise in taking precautions. In fact I'd suggest finding some steel toed boots and leather gloves to go with the rest of his gear.

Go in peace, Farmboy.

[Old Grump]

Boots were not high enough for the organic waste pile building up so I had to take my boots off but they were steel toed to begin with. We had an old Holstein that loved icecream, we named her Julia after my grandma on my ma's side but we never told grandma that, she was one of the, uh, well lets say she was fierce and Julia the cow had a lot calmer disposition.

True story, Grandpa came home one day after he had been talked into stopping for a little hot buttered rum. Grandma didn't hold with drinking much, being a stout and strict Lutheran and all. Grandpa went down the stairs as he said it rear end over appetite. She didn't let him up the stairs for 3 days. Good thing Grandpa had a toilet down there next to his shop but it was a close call. He winks at us boys and says he was on his last half pint of Brandy and he didn't know what he was going to do. 3 days living on canned peaches and pears, drinking brandy and sleeping on the laundry basket. You had to know Grandpa George.

[bruno2]

The biggest problem we seem to have in OH is that some LEO's don't know that it's legal to OC, even if you're not licensed.... Been a few problems there....

I would be willing to bet that they dont care that it is legal.

[bruno2]

And there lies our problem, we not only have to fight the unreasonable prejudices of anti-gun politicians, police, anti-gun activists and anti-gun panty wearing 'guns is bad crowd' we have to fight the stereotypes from the gun community members who believe if you would only do it their way there would be no problems.
"We respect your rights but...................", and then they add all kinds of exceptions if the practice doesn't meet their strict code of decency and decorum. Did you ever wonder where the slippery slope concept came from? This is a small example of how it gets started.

Grump , maybe we have read SMMA's post a little different than each other. I dont care to practice OC,but, I would never tell you or anybody else not to. I thought he was being like minded as me when he posted that. I dont think he is against it. I just dont think that is his preferred method.

[bruno2]

Grandma didn't hold with drinking much, being a stout and strict Lutheran and all. Grandpa went down the stairs as he said it rear end over appetite. She didn't let him up the stairs for 3 days. Good thing Grandpa had a toilet down there next to his shop but it was a close call. He winks at us boys and says he was on his last half pint of Brandy and he didn't know what he was going to do. 3 days living on canned peaches and pears, drinking brandy and sleeping on the laundry basket. You had to know Grandpa George.

Grump, this would have been an ideal time for Grandpa George to have a couple issues of Playboy stashed away in the shop.

[sdprof]

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And he would no more buy sheets than a cow would go to McDonalds and order ice cream.

And the precautions are not necessary. I'm the mild-mannered one of the family.

Like this cow did?

As to OC, I can in my state, and do when out working on my country property. I've never seen anyone do so in the town.

[pmeisel]

I would be willing to bet that they dont care that it is legal.

Ohio is a large and diverse state. In the relatively urban sections (most of the northeast, Columbus, Cincinnati, Toledo) think city.... once 30 miles away from those areas, mostly think country. There are large parts of the state where open carry would not attract a big reaction. And other parts where you might think you were in Chicago.

[Carl N. Brown]

I gave up on Playboy when I was told the pictures were airbrushed. In my minds eye I started seeing hidden warts, moles, pimples, hairs.....

On topic though: when shall-issue open or concealed carry permits were made legal in Tennessee, the local paper editorialized in favor of open carry and against concealed.

[Selena]

Like this cow did?

*sigh* That was Cow tse Tung, she didn't go to patronize McDonalds but to wreck revenge for the murder of her comrades.

[Old Grump]

Grump , maybe we have read SMMA's post a little different than each other. I dont care to practice OC,but, I would never tell you or anybody else not to. I thought he was being like minded as me when he posted that. I dont think he is against it. I just dont think that is his preferred method.

Understand that but I'm a little touchy on the subject because of all the negative feed back I get from people around me who think their right to bear arms only applies to small game, large game and bird hunting, upland or fowl.

Some don't think you need semi-auto's, others firmly believe that you don't need anything more powerful than a 30-06, others are against handguns in any way shape or form, others don't think you need to carry anything unless you are hunting and for some oddball reason a lot of them, not all but a lot of them are card carrying Democrats who are members of the NRA but there are some stuffed shirt Republicans in the same camp.

My view is you can own what you want short of an armed nuclear device. You should be able to carry it anyway you want to as long as it isn't in a dangerous manner, ie. muzzle swingers who pay little heed to which way their gun is pointing. Carry or not carry is a choice you ought to have and I keep hearing from these so called proponents of the 2nd that yes but not hand guns or not large bore hand guns or not large capacity magazines or not open carry, they all have a "but not this way because I don;t like it" stance.

My stand is I don't have to like it, it is their choice. People willing to compromise bother me and that is how we got the 1968 act. That's why we were saddled with the AWB, it wasn't all Democratic administrations, Republicans are just as guilty. Everybody seems to be willing to compromise on a subject where their should be no compromise so my reaction to that post was pretty much knee jerk.

By the way Grandpa's story happened pre-playboy, he would have been more likely to have had an Ace Mystery magazine and/or Argosy magazine stash. Grandma paid for it worse than he did because she had to listen to his singing through the heating ducts, he sang when he was content and he was quite content in his basement shop with all his toys.