Will THIS gestapo action by ATF wake nra up?

[ConstitutionCowboy]

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One of the ressons for this was addressed by Rachael Parsons on one of the radio gun shows. Her explaination was that the NRA was reluctant to criticize or call into question the actions of this agency as they didn't want to be perceived as being against LE.

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You'd think by now that the intelligentsia at the NRA would know the difference between law enforcement and jack-booted thuggery. I give them no pass.

Woody

[Silver Bullet]

The NRA is involved with the Second Amendment, not the Fourth Amendment.

I don't want them spending my membership dollars on other issues, as that constitutes a dilution of effort and funds and will drive away members who are not on board with the other issues. One could just as easily ask, where was the GOA on this ?

A better question is, why isn't the ACLU doing something, but since I'm not a member I have no standing.

[ConstitutionCowboy]

The NRA is involved with the Second Amendment, not the Fourth Amendment.

I don't want them spending my membership dollars on other issues, as that constitutes a dilution of effort and funds and will drive away members who are not on board with the other issues. One could just as easily ask, where was the GOA on this ?

A better question is, why isn't the ACLU doing something, but since I'm not a member I have no standing.

While it is true that there is a 4th Amendment element to this, the "F" part of BATFE is no doubt involved here...

... the task force made 13 arrests in a major gun and drug sweep ...

Woody

[TallPine]

The united States got along quite well without the FBI up until Prohibition.

Of course, they did have the US Marshalls.

[stevelyn]

You'd think by now that the intelligentsia at the NRA would know the difference between law enforcement and jack-booted thuggery. I give them no pass.

Woody

Yeah, or at least you and I would think.

TallPine


The united States got along quite well without the FBI up until Prohibition.

Of course, they did have the US Marshalls.

I agree.

I have absolutely no quarrel whatsoever with USMA and harbor the highest respect for them. At least there is a legitimate and valid Constitutional basis for their existence and out of all the feral agencies they have never to my knowledge compromised their integrity for political expedience or engaged in publicity stunts for budget considerations.

[TallPine]

I have absolutely no quarrel whatsoever with USMA and harbor the highest respect for them. At least there is a legitimate and valid Constitutional basis for their existence and out of all the feral agencies they have never to my knowledge compromised their integrity for political expedience or engaged in publicity stunts for budget considerations.

They've cleaned up a bit since the days of Rooster Cogburn

[jhco50]

I see your point but I do feel a need to correct you. There are several enumerated powers that allow for federal law enforcement. The Constitution empowers the federal government to enforce laws on the counterfeiting of money, bankruptcy laws, crimes committed at sea, and a few other cases. I would suspect that the "necessary and proper" clause allows for a police force to protect federal properties from theft, vandalism, and so forth. This could also include spitting on federal property.

Actually, the enumerated powers given to the government are spelled out and that is all they are given by the Constitution. They were never supposed to read into the Constitution to expand their powers as you suggest.