View Poll Results: What have you done, post-Newtown, to protect our right to keep and bear arms?

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  • Led or actively participated in a face-to-face public meeting, rally, or discussion.

    6 40.00%
  • Attended a face-to-face public meeting, rally, or discussion.

    4 26.67%
  • Passed out, or otherwise distributed, leaflets, pamphlets, etc.

    4 26.67%
  • Volunteered office or support time to a national or local gun-rights organization.

    2 13.33%
  • Volunteered door-to-door time for a national or local gun-rights group.

    1 6.67%
  • Something else - please describe in a post.

    8 53.33%
  • Hung around Internet forums complaining about losing my rights.

    3 20.00%
  • Nothing.

    1 6.67%
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    What have you done since Newtown to protect our liberty?

    Ok, so only 5 people are sort of willing to band together as a group on GRM and make a difference. I hope that's not an indicator of how gun control will turn out.

    So let's try looking at it a different way. Maybe no one else wants to work together as a group here because they're doing so much outside of GRM already. New poll.

    If you have done something outside of GRM or Internet forums or blogs, share here. Maybe you'll inspire someone else and help them understand the range of activities in which we can participate.

    I'm not putting donations or membership in any group in the poll. We can't save our nation, our liberty, or our guns by writing a check and paying someone else to save it for us. Please don't post "joined" or "donated" unless it's something like, "joined organization x and did y" where y is where you did something other than wrote a check.

    I'll be the first to admit that I'm in the "Did Nothing" category but I'm working on changing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NEOKShooter View Post
    Ok, so only 5 people are sort of willing to band together as a group on GRM and make a difference. I hope that's not an indicator of how gun control will turn out.

    So let's try looking at it a different way. Maybe no one else wants to work together as a group here because they're doing so much outside of GRM already. New poll.

    If you have done something outside of GRM or Internet forums or blogs, share here. Maybe you'll inspire someone else and help them understand the range of activities in which we can participate.

    I'm not putting donations or membership in any group in the poll. We can't save our nation, our liberty, or our guns by writing a check and paying someone else to save it for us. Please don't post "joined" or "donated" unless it's something like, "joined organization x and did y" where y is where you did something other than wrote a check.

    I'll be the first to admit that I'm in the "Did Nothing" category but I'm working on changing that.
    All I've done is the same as I've been doing since I turned 18... Written Senators and Representatives that I will ignore the $125 haircuts and stage presence and vote solely on the basis of his record.

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    We should be careful...

    Not to turn this into a "I'm better at gun rights than you are" beauty contest. (Beauty contest? Selena wins, anyway.)

    Any effort is appreciated by all of us. And as Milton reminds us, even if for some reason you can't reach out, "they also serve who only stand and wait."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loosedhorse View Post
    Not to turn this into a "I'm better at gun rights than you are" beauty contest. (Beauty contest? Selena wins, anyway.)

    Any effort is appreciated by all of us. And as Milton reminds us, even if for some reason you can't reach out, "they also serve who only stand and wait."
    I haven't done anything so I'm not judging. I'm hoping to get folks to do more, though - myself included.

    Beauty contest? No. Obviously Oleg or Dave Workman win that here anyway - or maybe not obvious. Maybe there are others doing stuff that we don't know about.

    A bit of shame? Maybe. If that's what it takes. Inspiration? Could be. If people find themselves hanging out with people making a difference they will want to make a difference.

    Ideas? Maybe folks would like to make a difference but not know how they can in their own private circumstances. But maybe they'll see something others are doing that helps them find things they can do themselves.

    Do you not think that the situation is serious enough to start pushing ourselves and others to put up or shut up? Not just for gun control but for personal liberty and the rule of the Constitution in America?

    I think it is time for me and for all of us to quit whining on the Internet and start doing something.

    By the way, I thought about adding an item in the poll for those who write each and every one of their elected representatives, both state and federal - real letters that get delivered by the USPS. It's a great start but I'm hoping for, and suggesting, more face-to-face type of involvement.

    But you're right. Any effort helps the cause - which is why even just attending a real life public event was on the poll.
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    The one thing I will remind people of is don't exclude the college kid with the skateboard and purple hair. He is probably more concerned with individual rights than most.

    I have found that most college kids are fairly intelligent and don't understand because they have never been told. A great example is is politicians saying don't buy a gun, the police will protect you, except that they won't and they don't have to.

    No matter get involved, your colleges have shooting/firearms enthusiast clubs or what have you, provide training material, advice or even moral support. It will pay dividends.
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    Paid for 4 NRA memberships for THR posters who were without the means. Being deaf,verbally, I can do nothing.

    But on the keyboard and snail mail,there is still some life!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NEOKShooter View Post
    Ok, so only 5 people are sort of willing to band together as a group on GRM and make a difference. I hope that's not an indicator of how gun control will turn out.
    ...

    I'll be the first to admit that I'm in the "Did Nothing" category but I'm working on changing that.
    You note a very serious problem that is not only visible on this forum. The total response to any gun control push from firearm organisations is nothing by comparison to what gun control does if it is anything at all.

    By far the majority of firearm owners follow the example of firearm organisations and choose to do nothing.

    When anything is done by firearm organisations or interested parties it is almost always driven by money with the intention of not losing money or gaining more. ie gun and ammunition sales, manufactures boycotting shows or moving operations. NRA and others selling training services. Organisations looking for membership. Trying to buy political favour buying off politicians when that is determined by public opinion. There is no politician alive who will buck determined public opinion if they want to be re-elected.

    It seems as if firearm organisations have no desire to counter the lies and deceit of gun control and are content to sit and wait then get lawyers to do their fighting for them. They never ever mobilise firearm owners to demonstrate and protest stupid laws. They ignore completely the fact that public opinion determines what laws are considered and passed and give an almost free path to gun control to influence public opinion. They use the excuse the media is biased for what they have not done.

    Firearm owners are not reminded of their rights or why they need them instead they are selling more guns to convince other who hate and fear guns that gun are good or necessary. Guns have replaced our rights and we are saving the guns some of the guns and are safe as long as we can own a gun, any gun.

    Consider that nobody would sit and watch someone steal the valve caps off his vehicle tyres. But are content to sit and watch as their rights are stolen.

    This is a very clear indication that firearm organisations are not doing the job they are supposed to do. Keep the public image of firearm owners and our rights uppermost in people minds. Protect OUR rights.

    Note I did not say constitutional rights as these rights BELONG to US. They are our property and WE defend and PROTECT OUR RIGHTS. Nobody else will.

    The question now becomes how does one change that becasue until that is done nobody values firearm ownership enough to lift a finger including the organisations that should lead by example.

    Did you find this helpful Yes/No?

    If no, do you have a better idea of why gun control is winning the long term war and no country has less restrictive firearms laws now that it did fifty years ago? Why we keep losing instead of winning? That is the question that needs an answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loosedhorse View Post
    Not to turn this into a "I'm better at gun rights than you are" beauty contest. (Beauty contest? Selena wins, anyway.)

    Any effort is appreciated by all of us. And as Milton reminds us, even if for some reason you can't reach out, "they also serve who only stand and wait."
    Why do I feel a sudden need to get my hip boots? It's getting pretty deep in here. Meanwhile, this is a good excuse for a gratuitous Kipling quote.

    And Peter twirled the jangling Keys in weariness and wrath.
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    "By the worth of the body that once ye had, give answer—what ha' ye done?"
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    I still think Brandon has one of the best face-to-face suggestions in his signature: take a kid shooting. We could expand that to take anyone who isn't a regular shooter shooting and, the only thing nearly as important as taking a kid, take an anti shooting. It would be a great time to talk about liberty and the importance of the right to keep and bear arms as well as introduce them to safe shooting and the fun of shooting. Lots of wins in that.
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    I'm on deployment so I haven't done anything but complain on the internet and write my rep/senator, which is not an option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaryq View Post
    I'm on deployment so I haven't done anything but complain on the internet and write my rep/senator, which is not an option.
    You get full credit for doing your part. No question about it.
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    I've attended three rallies at our state capitol, I've met with several state level representatives to so share my views (at those same rallies.) I've written (email and snail mail) letters to my congresscritters in Washington DC. Sadly Cleaver never replies to anything and McCaskill sends the same response no matter what you say to her. I've made several phone calls to their offices to leave messages, letting them know we are watching their voting records and to remind them of the aftermath of the '94 Ban. I've joined the Missouri Sports Shooters Association, renewed my NRA membership, and joined GOA. And currently I've been blanketing local gun shops with fliers for a pro-2A rally at the capitol on April 18th.

    I didn't think I'd been doing that much honestly, but to type it out, I guess it's quite a bit after all.

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    Good job, JEStucker. The good thing to hear is that you are doing a lot and, taking from your comment that you thought you hadn't done too much, it doesn't hurt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selena
    Why do I feel a sudden need to get my hip boots?
    Now don't go taking modesty to far. Moderation in all things.

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    You get full credit for doing your part. No question about it.
    Yeah, NEOK and Aaryq, I vaguely recall that being deployed has something to do with fighting for our rights. All of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NEOKShooter View Post
    Good job, JEStucker. The good thing to hear is that you are doing a lot and, taking from your comment that you thought you hadn't done too much, it doesn't hurt.
    I had a lot of free time since September, I tore up my knee at work pretty good and ended up having surgery on it. As long as I was making my Doctor's appointments and getting to the rehab appointments, I was pretty much left to my own devices. Wife works full time, kids are in college and working, so with the house to myself and no distractions, it was pretty easy to pass the time writing letters or making phone calls. The six hour round trip drives to Jefferson City were a little taxing, but it was just pretty much once a month since January so I was able to work it into the schedule easy enough. Of course I'm now actually back at work a couple of days a week, the rest of the week I'm still in rehab for four hours a day, so time is getting a little harder to manage.

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    I've made a half-dozen trips to the M******* (impolite) end of the state in all winds and weathers, to advocate, demonstrate, carry signs, and button-hole my state reps (and other legislators, too.)

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    Just keep.diggin up holes and coming up dry. Its a pity.
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    Quietly trying to identify which state legislators I can trust for the upcoming elections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmeisel View Post
    Quietly trying to identify which state legislators I can trust for the upcoming elections.
    The answer is easy NONE. No politicians word is worth a thing. One needs to understand that the only currency of politics is power. Therefore if you cannot influence power by increasing or decreasing it you are nothing.

    The way to get a politicians attention and trust is to be able to knock him off his pedestal or keep him there. Not ask (beg) him to help. And he would see it as begging.

    But that goes against the common myth that politicians will do what is needed rather than what the public demand. That politicians and government holds the power rather than citizens.

    A politician needs votes to be re-elected and he is not going to piss off a bunch of people who will punish him at the polls. But he will make any promise you like in order to get your vote.... There is no intention of keeping it if PUBLIC OPINION is against it.

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    What I've done? I do my best work behind the scenes, identifying and advocating strategies, sending emails to call things to people's attention, etc.

    I'm also working on trying to help a clinical hoplophobe work through her fears--every person we can turn from the anti side of the ledger, especially the young, is one more who will at least sometimes take our side.

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    College kids

    Quote Originally Posted by swgunner View Post
    The one thing I will remind people of is don't exclude the college kid with the skateboard and purple hair. He is probably more concerned with individual rights than most.

    I have found that most college kids are fairly intelligent and don't understand because they have never been told. A great example is is politicians saying don't buy a gun, the police will protect you, except that they won't and they don't have to.

    No matter get involved, your colleges have shooting/firearms enthusiast clubs or what have you, provide training material, advice or even moral support. It will pay dividends.
    You are absolutely right about college students (young especially), I just graduated a year ago but went back at 46 and the professors try to influence their political views on students. If the professor is liked by a majority of students they have a lot of influence with their classes and the majority of instructors are liberal gun hating socialist who believe that the government should control our lives and provide everyone with what is good for them(feed you bs and control your thinking) as though no one can think and do for themselves. I said something about losing rights and a 76 yr old professor tried to tell me that we haven't lost any rights in the past 30 yrs. I used to be able to hunt the majority of property near my home, now you can't fire a gun around here. So yes make it a point to talk to students about the reasons for owning a firearm and how it is an important part of this country's ability to keep bad guys from taking it away from us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JABO2246 View Post
    You are absolutely right about college students (young especially), I just graduated a year ago but went back at 46 and the professors try to influence their political views on students. If the professor is liked by a majority of students they have a lot of influence with their classes and the majority of instructors are liberal gun hating socialist who believe that the government should control our lives and provide everyone with what is good for them(feed you bs and control your thinking) as though no one can think and do for themselves. I said something about losing rights and a 76 yr old professor tried to tell me that we haven't lost any rights in the past 30 yrs. I used to be able to hunt the majority of property near my home, now you can't fire a gun around here. So yes make it a point to talk to students about the reasons for owning a firearm and how it is an important part of this country's ability to keep bad guys from taking it away from us.
    "Technically" the prof is correct. We not only haven't lost any rights in the past 30 years but since the first man said to to heck with fruit and climbed out of the trees. The Kulaks in the early USSR had the same rights as were enjoyed in the USA. The Jews, Gypsies and mentally challenged had the same rights in Nazi Germany as the gentry in England.

    Rights are intrinsic, they are the heritage given to us by a compassionate Creator. Whether the governments we create honor those rights is another question altogether.



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