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    Did rifle-toting OC activists go too far?

    Poll suggests rifle-toting OC advocates went too far at Chipotle

    A poll started yesterday by the Guns Save Lives (GSL) blog, in the wake of Chipotle’s announcement that it doesn’t want people bringing guns into its restaurants, shows an overwhelmingly negative reaction to what another story called an “outrageous stunt” that apparently frightened other patrons at the Dallas-area eatery.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/poll...ar-at-chipotle

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    I'd say they gave us a not inconsiderable setback in PR.
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    Personally, I don't care one bit about open carry of rifles. They're working to get pistol OC in TX, and carrying rifles openly is legal there (and arguably will help make the point that pistol OC is a good and normal thing as well, IMO).

    Those two fools, on the other hand...

    Open carry, slung, over the back? Makes your point without being aggressive or giving rise to legitimate fears. The big dude with the single-point sling down front? If you REALLY feel that's appropriate carry style for a visit to your local Chipotle, perhaps you need to reevaluate your choice of restaurants and locations. Tie-dye boy, if I understand the relevant TX firearms law correctly, should be brought up on brandishing charges. Low-ready is not NOT *NOT* "open carry", though the victim-disarmament types will as always portray those two as being typical of the millions of us who do NOT do stupid crap like that. This, naturally, will reduce the chances of TX getting pistol OC, and may adversely affect rifle OC.

    I saw multiple comments on various responses to that picture to the effect that "CCW permittees present in the restaurant were likely noting the location of cover and figuring firing angles." I agree wholeheartedly with those statements. Someone walks in cradling a rifle? That's someone I'm going to be watching like a hawk, preferably from cover, with a palm itching for my pistol grip, until I'm satisfied they aren't intending to use that rifle to shoot the place up. At which point a walk over to them and a quiet "WTF are you clowns doing???" conversation might be in order. You want to open carry? Then open carry, don't BRANDISH.
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    "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."

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    The hoplophobic opposition, those I call my enemies, come out playing hardball, throwing fastballs at our heads. Some of you guys come out wearing whites and proclaiming "Tennis anyone?". Then you whine like a little girl whose lollipop fell in the dirt when yet another bit of restrictive legislation gets passed.

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    Seriously? The way to get people used to open carry, or to promote OC of handguns, is to *BRANDISH RIFLES* as though you intend to use them in 2 seconds?

    Yeah, havin' a hard time with that notion. As noted above, if I saw Tie-dye Boy carrying in a local establishment as he was in that picture, I'd be thinking REAL hard about where my round(s) might end up after possibly exiting his body if I had to draw and fire on him. He apparently walked in carrying his rifle as though he intended to USE it at a moment's notice, and posed for one or more pictures in that same manner. Now, the pic would be a good indication that he probably wasn't looking to knock the place over - making it a great time to walk up to him and say, "What in the BLEEDING HELL do you think you're doing brandishing your rifle like that?!?" We can have that conversation quietly and civilly, if he's so inclined. Or he can answer to the cops for photographically-documented violation of TX firearms law, and they'll likely be somewhat less inclined to quiet and civility, I'd guess. What's better, him being called on his actions by us, or all of us being excoriated based on his actions by those who would see us uniformly disarmed?

    There's open carry, and there's brandishing. This was, from everything I can see, the latter - and brandishing is illegal for a good reason.

    Pinning any hopes of advancing the cause of RKBA based on the actions of people like that? That's a losing bet. Even leaving aside the fact that we didn't get here overnight and aren't going to get where we want to be overnight either, these guys are WEAKENING our position, not strengthening it, and defending what they did in the manner they did it paints us as being just as stupid and dangerous as them, in the eyes of the people we need to be convincing that we're actually okay.

    If those same two guys, dressed JUST LIKE THEY WERE, walked in with those same rifles slung over their shoulders, and refused to brandish same for a damned photo? You bet I'd be defending them. And yet I'm not. I've got ZERO issues with open carry of anything you can carry, and I'm saying that these guys did it WRONG. I'd very much like it if a man walking into a Chipotle, a Starbucks, a Dairy Queen, a McDonald's - or something more upscale, even - to grab a bite with a Remington 700, or an AR, or a Kalashnikov, or a freaking BARRETT slung over his shoulder (might need to duck coming through the door, I guess) elicited no comment from the patrons and staff. Other than perhaps, "Man, that's really cool, what IS that?" These two guys? They pushed that day further off into the future, and I reserve the right to look negatively on them for that. Has nothing to do with bruised feels or whining. Has to do with those *multiple expletives deleted*s providing our enemies with ammunition to go after my rights even harder.
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    As a one time Texas resident I can relate to the lack of OC of handguns. However, these 2 over stepped the bounds. Keep the rifle on the gun rack or carry the rifle when out using it ie hunting, shooting, or patrolling your private property but not out patrolling resturants.

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    Could these guys be agents provocateurs from the anti-gun forces?

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    Ya know, Lew, sometimes I've asked myself that very question...

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