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    Brian and Wild Bill For America Encouraging Liberals



    Brian and Wild Bill For America Encouraging Liberals

    Brian and wild Bill For America Talking Turkey

    Wild Bills Mission

    I. “To call Americans back to the traditional faith of our Founding Fathers. Every problem this nation is facing can be traced to abandonment of the Judeo-Christian values that founded the USA.”

    II. “To support and encourage the Tea Party and other conservative Americans because they are the people who will guard America’s freedom and heritage, ensuring that the United States will continue to be the greatest nation in history.”

    III. “To encourage faithful Americans to courageously speak out publicly on the moral issues that are affecting this nation.” “BECAUSE GOD SAID SO” is a perfectly legitimate political argument.

    IV. “To restore God and Country, One Nation Under God and the Pledge of Allegiance to the public square and the conscience of the American people.

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    "Hey, WIld Bill For America, you Americans still owe us for all the tea you dumped in Boston Harbor."

    I've heard that one before.

    But ummm.... I thought we paid them back with all the guns ordinary Americans sent to the British Home Guard in World War II to defend their homeland when the invasion by Germany seemed imminent.

    Which, I am given to understand, were dumped in the ocean after the war.

    (Not to mention the Lend-Lease Program.)

    At the time, it was starting to look like England was an American Colony.

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    Another great one. I am going to watch some of Bill's videos on youtube.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Edition View Post


    Brian and Wild Bill For America Encouraging Liberals

    Brian and wild Bill For America Talking Turkey

    Wild Bills Mission

    I. “To call Americans back to the traditional faith of our Founding Fathers. Every problem this nation is facing can be traced to abandonment of the Judeo-Christian values that founded the USA.”
    Judeo-Christian, like, say, Thomas Jefferson, Founding Father, writer of the Declaration of Independence and third President of this country? Judeo-Christian values like those expressed by Adams in the Treaty of Peace and Friendship between the United States and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli and Barbary? Article 11 might be of interest - "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;..." Nice little blurb on Wiki about that part and the history of the Founding: "By their actions, the Founding Fathers made clear that their primary concern was religious freedom, not the advancement of a state religion. Individuals, not the government, would define religious faith and practice in the United States {ed: that kind of seems important here}. Thus the Founders ensured that in no official sense would America be a Christian Republic. Ten years after the Constitutional Convention ended its work, the country assured the world that the United States was a secular state, and that its negotiations would adhere to the rule of law, not the dictates of the Christian faith. The assurances were contained in the Treaty of Tripoli of 1797 and were intended to allay the fears of the Muslim state by insisting that religion would not govern how the treaty was interpreted and enforced. John Adams and the Senate made clear that the pact was between two sovereign states, not between two religious powers.[16]"

    Nothing wrong with doing what's right, but pretending that one (or a few) of humanity's myriad methods of worshipping what most think might be out there has a lock on that "right", or has refused to do what's wrong, is nonsense. Judeo-Christians are no different in that respect than anyone else. And it seems pretty plain that we are not and never were a "Christian nation".

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    II. “To support and encourage the Tea Party and other conservative Americans because they are the people who will guard America’s freedom and heritage, ensuring that the United States will continue to be the greatest nation in history.”
    No issues with this one.

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    III. “To encourage faithful Americans to courageously speak out publicly on the moral issues that are affecting this nation.” “BECAUSE GOD SAID SO” is a perfectly legitimate political argument.
    HUGE issues with this one. NO IT IS NOT. Ref: Amendment I. Yes, you (generically speaking) may be a devout follower of whatever religion you believe to be "the correct one", and may act in accordance with its dictates insofar as those dictates do not violate the rights of others. The GOVERNMENT, however, may *NOT* act in accordance with your religion's dictates, nor with those of any other religion, as such. Not using religion as the basis for its acts. The mere fact that, as one example, we punish murderers does not mean that we're making observance of the Judeo-Christian Sixth Commandment (which I as a Lutheran growing up learned as the Fifth) the law. It means we as a society recognize that murder is a violation of the rights of others and must be punished as such - a completely secular reason which just happens by chance to align with a "Judeo-Christian moral."

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    IV. “To restore God and Country, One Nation Under God and the Pledge of Allegiance to the public square and the conscience of the American people.
    Nope. Perfectly happy with not restoring a mouthing of religious platitudes adopted in the form being sought all of sixty years ago, written by a socialist and originally intended to be accompanied by "the Bellamy salute" (look it up, Right Edition - not the greatest connotations there...), to "official," mandated status in a two-hundred-forty-year-old country. Rarely said it myself when it WAS official in my schools, back in the day. Though the Spanish version was at least entertaining, in my middle school Spanish class. The Supreme Court seems to agree that one cannot and should not be compelled to mouth such platitudes. True loyalty comes from within, not from saying "the right things."

    "God and Country" - what is this, Elizabethan England? And again, Amendment I. You feel free to worship whatever god you see fit to. The government has no legitimate authority to incorporate said worship in its business and affairs, and doing so would not make this country better.

    You want to believe in something bigger than yourself, which you believe inspires right and justice in the world? Go right ahead, with my blessing so to speak.

    Want ME to believe in that same something? Convince me, using the logic and reason which that something, allegedly, gave me to be used in perceiving and interacting with the world around me. Or accept that I don't believe as you do in that respect and am still a good person worthy of respect. Either way, pay attention when I grow bored and tell you to get lost. I promise to start more politely than that, though. I'll warn you, if you want to make the attempt - I believe very much as RA Heinlein did, on the matter of The Supreme Being Of The Universe. Gonna be a tough sell, and the conventional "arguments" won't make any traction.

    Want to *FORCE* me to believe in that something? Prepare for a fight. And I'm not speaking metaphorically.
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    Not to espouse either viewpoint on State religion in the U.S., but I think it would be smart for us* to lay off a couple of moral and religious political issues for a while... that is, until December of 2016.

    I'll bet even this post will ignite a flurry of fire... which is exactly why we should avoid discussing them for a while.

    Just a suggestion, while trying to be as neutral as possible.

    Terry, 230RN

    * "Us" in general, not just on this board.
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    Not to espouse either viewpoint on State religion in the U.S., but I think it would be smart for us* to lay off a couple of moral and religious political issues for a while... that is, until December of 2016.
    No fire from me. We have to separate church and state. Even beyond 2016. This is America.
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