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    A question about wallet holsters

    Do they make wallet holsters that would fit a larger gun, such as a Bersa Thunder .380? I like to wear polo shirts a lot and IWB carry doesn't seem like it gives you a very quick draw.

    Just to clarify, I mean the ones with the flaps that make it look like a wallet when it's in your pants. I know the ones that you fire inside the "wallet" are illegal.
    That which does not kill me...BETTER BE BULLETPROOF!!! *racks 12 gauge* lol

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    Do a google for "pocket holsters" ... you'll find tons of options.

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    I believe BATFE made the actual "wallet holster" illegal, disremember how. Someone correce me if I am wrong.
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    It is my understanding that a 'wallet' that encloses the firearm, and the firearm is fired from within, is an AOW.

    Among other things, cane guns, briefcase guns, umbrella guns and pen guns are all AOW's. I think that any firearm that does not look like a traditional firearm will be classified as such.

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    http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/...f_letter19.txt
    DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY
    Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms
    Washington, DC 20226

    E:CE:F:TE:RLB
    3311

    MAR 13 1996

    [Name]
    [Address]

    Dear :

    This is in response to your letter of recent date to the Bureau of
    Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF). In your letter, you request
    information regarding the legality of several wallet type holsters
    which you submitted of our examination.

    As defined in 26 U.S.C. section 5845(e) of the National Firearms
    Act (NFA), the term "any other weapon" includes certain weapons
    capable of being concealed on the person. It is unlawful to make,
    possess or transfer such weapons which are not registered in
    accordance with NFA controls. Further, a maker of such firearms
    who has not paid the appropriate special (occupational) tax is
    liable for $200 making tax for each weapon produced and $5 for each
    weapon transferred.

    ATF has previously determined that firearms installed in various
    types of wallets, briefcases, canes, etc. may be NFA firearms as
    defined. The submitted samples are rectangular leather cases,
    which measure approximately 5 1/2 inches in length and 2 3/4 inches
    in height. They are designed to hold an American Derringer firearm
    (Model DA 38) in a fixed position with openings in the leather so
    that the derringer can be operated and fired while it is in the
    case. When the derringer is installed in the case, the weapon has
    the exterior appearance to other "wallet guns" which have
    previously been determined to be NFA firearms.

    - 2 -

    ATF has previously determined that an American Derringer, Model DA
    38, in and of itself, is a firearm subject to the provisions of the
    GCA and is not a firearm subject to the NFA controls. The leather
    wallet by itself is not subject to control as a firearm. However,
    we have also determined that any person who might possess such a
    derringer in combination with the wallet holster would be in
    possession of a firearm subject to the purview of the NFA.

    Any person who possess the combination would be in possession of a
    firearm as defined in 26 U.S.C. section 5845(a)(5) of the NFA.
    Such firearm is subject to the tax imposed under section 5821, and
    the making provisions of section 5822 of the act.

    Should the wallet holsters, as provided, be sold or transferred
    separately from the derringers, we strongly recommend that you
    advise customers regarding the status of these items.

    If you would like to submit a redesigned or modified holster that
    you believe would not be subject to the NFA when held in
    combination with an American Derringer firearm, we will be happy to
    examine it and provide you with the results. We would suggest that
    the redesigned sample no longer resemble a wallet and the
    modification should include cutting the top rear of the wallet,
    thereby exposing the entire back strap and trigger guard area of
    the inserted derringer. The cuts should follow the exact contour
    of the frame of the pistol and not overlap to risk a disguised
    appearance.

    The samples which you submitted for our examination are being
    returned to you under separate cover.

    - 3 -


    We trust the foregoing has been responsive to your inquiry. If you
    have further questions concerning this matter, please contact us.


    Sincerely yours,

    [signed]
    Edward M. Owen, Jr.
    Chief, Firearms Technology Branch
    So if desired wallet holster is merely a concealment carry case, it is nothing.
    Your unimprisoned self should not act merely from my advice though.
    If the wallet holster has a device to actuate the trigger from (be it mechanical with a button, pushrod, linkage, ect. or even a fingerhole or slot)
    you would be covered providing that you do the paperwork and buy the tax stamp for an AOW (Any Other Weapon).
    So if you want a real wallet holster (and your locality allows them) you can make it yourself after the B.A.T.F.E approval for a $200 tax stamp or you may buy the item from/through a class III firearms dealer with the $5 tax stamp.

    BATFE has a decent website and you can often find answers there.
    I have read that their technical people are great on the phone.

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    Thanks for the clarification, too lazy to look it up.
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    Check out PocketHolsters.com.

    My wife and I have ordered holsters from Guru for guns ranging from an NAA Mini to Glock 26. The Glock is a bit large to use the holster as a "Wallet Holster", but it's useful for holding it on the nightstand or in the safe. His holsters work really well on the NAA and her .32 Beretta tilt-barrel. Well -made holsters... I recommend them.
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    >Check out PocketHolsters.com.

    That's my Uncle Dave...I'm pretty sure he makes one for the Bersa. He'll be at SHOT.

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    "That's my Uncle Dave...I'm pretty sure he makes one for the Bersa. He'll be at SHOT. "

    I don't see his name on the list of Exhibitors. Is he going to have a booth or just walk around with stuff in his pockets?
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    Take a look at K&D's Pocket Defender Convertible.

    It has a back flap that makes it look like a wallet or PDA in your pocket.

    They could easily come up with one for a Bersa but it would be a little large.

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    In Arkansas you cannot use any NFA weapon as consealed carry, even though a wallet gun would be perfect.

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    I would think that even in Arkansas, if you can not fire the pistol while it's in a holster that happens to look like a wallet, you'd be fine. OTH, if it's a wallet that you can fire a weapon from and it conceals the firearm within, even outside the pocket... then it becomes an NFA AOW and could be illegal to possess in whatever state. California has a "unrecognizable as a firearm" that includes wallet guns that conceal the firearm AND you can discharge that weapon while it's in that wallet holster.
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    >Is he going to have a booth or just walk around with stuff in his pockets?

    He always has 'stuff' in his pockets!

    He usually has some of his stuff over at the Crismon Trace booth. I'll find out for sure and let you know.

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