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    Chauchat machine pistol?

    Not sure what these are but they remind me of the Chauchat machine gun.





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    Eek.
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    Two different versions of the Ribeyrolles "machine pistol", intended as a firing port weapon for the Renault FT-17 light tank.

    8mm Lebel.

    The bottom version was actually capable of automatic fire.

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    "Proud Promise: French Autoloading Rifles 1898-1979" page 53.
    Last edited by Gas Operated; May 12th, 2009 at 05:07 AM.

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    A crime against asthetics.

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    ???????????????

    I would call them short barreled MG as they really are.cut chauchats.and thats the factory that made them.

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    These are FPW, the second version used Chauchat magazines but they do not use the Chauchat mecanism that is totally different.
    The only common point is the designer.
    Both were full auto.

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    Two different versions of the Ribeyrolles "machine pistol", intended as a firing port weapon for the Renault FT-17 light tank.

    8mm Lebel.

    The bottom version was actually capable of automatic fire.

    source:
    "Proud Promise: French Autoloading Rifles 1898-1979" page 53.
    Nicely done Gas Operated. Do you have any information on how these strange beasts actually worked? I assume not the same as the Ribeyrolles carbine.


    I would also assume that these are not simple a cut down chauchat, since chopping the barrel that short on a recoil operated design would have rather drastic effects on rate of fire.
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    Why is it the French guns (those two tank port weapons, the "ShooShoo", MAS 36) are so, well ugly. The Belgians could design aesthetically pleasing firearms. That worked.
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    Ugly

    ...maybe because war doesnt lose a tiny bit of its ugliness when fought with "pretty" guns? So cosmetics are simply a waste of efficiency?

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    My question is, did they work? We know how poor the Chauchat was, were these anybetter? The light tank in question was actually pretty cool looking.
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    The light tank in question was actually pretty cool looking.
    Indeed. I read that the Renault FT-17 was the first modern-configuration tank ever created - the first tank with a fully rotating turret. This is easy to overlook since it was so much smaller than most of its contemporaries and modern tanks.

    By 1939, the main armament of few tanks was better than the Renault's. The French were quite innovative and practical in a lot of technological categories, though their small arms were generally lacking. Best French small arm of the war? I couldn't say ... maybe the Berthier M1916?

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    No, ugly because they were known unreliable crap that was forced on the troops by commanders that did, or should have known better for political reasons

    it was call the SO-SO
    because it wasn't nice to call the command stupid. OH, and it's the second part about Belgium, they worked. Actually if they were tank FP guns, they might have fared better, ONE of the major flaws is the magazine slot (visible loader or something, I forget what it's called) that allowed the trench mud direct access to the action. The second was that QC was so poor the Chauchat was 'hand fitted' with zero (0) parts interchangeability.

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    The French made ugly firearms so that it did not bother their psyche so much when they drop them in the sand. It is MUCH easier to drop an ugly gun than to drop one that looks good.

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    Why is it the French guns (those two tank port weapons, the "ShooShoo", MAS 36) are so, well ugly. The Belgians could design aesthetically pleasing firearms. That worked.
    Because at that time, it was impossible for a European country to produce good food and good firearms at the same time.

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